Which is harder to kill? Also you can still use its transport capacity but those 6 lascannon shots will be around for a long time, the lascannon heavy weapon teams dont have the ability to move IF they need to. The vendetta being on a flying base means it basically can get around a lot of terrain concerns. You still have the option of having it fly and get into position at any time with a squad or two inside. It just doesnt mean that you HAVE to.
Plus I dont know about you but I dont own 18 lascannon HWT and have no intention of buying them. I do own a vulture and vendetta
I feel asking whether a vendetta is harder to kill than a HWT is fairly redundant because you'd never use the same weapons on either - unless you were desperate?
And yes I'm not suggesting that you take 18 HWT teams, I was merely showing that you could get them for the same points as 2 Vendetta.
In regards to damage output 6 HWTs = 1 Vendetta (hovering) and costs 90 points less!. If you're playing apocalypse then ignore me but 90-180 points is a lot of points wasted on a few lascannons.
Now to address the bogusness of the 'it upgrades its durability' argument.
Yes the vendetta is harder to kill with small arms fire but it isn't efficient, and it is easier to kill with tank weapons than a HWT I'll show this all below.
(230pt) Vendetta VS (number of hits to kill)
- Lasguns => 256 Hits
- Bolters => 126 Hits
- Plasma => 33.6 Hits (standard) / 12.6 hits (overcharged)
- Melta (<6") => 4.69
(144pt) 6x HWT VS (number of hits to kill)
- Lasguns => 48 Hits
- Bolters => 36 Hits
- Plasma => 14.4 Hits (standard) / 7.2 hits (overcharged)
- Melta (<6") => 14.4 Hits
If you were to approximate the cost of a Vendetta chassis (110 points) based on a (24 point) HWTs durability vs different weapons
- Lasguns => 128 points
- Bolters => 84 points
- Plasma gun => 56 points
- Meltagun => 7.8 points
The ONLY weapon the vendetta chassis is worth it's points against is against lasguns. If you're playing against someone that uses mass lasguns then ignore me. However I doubt it.
If you want to field Vendettas because you like them or you've now bought them and have committed then fair enough -go nuts.
However they aren't effective or efficient firing platforms - this is not what they have been designed for. 6x HWT are superior in efficiency and equivalent in damage output compared to one vendetta.
Even stationary for kill power the vendetta doesnt make its points well when it comes to damage out put. Armor is great because its tough. So those 230 points you pay for the vendetta you should look at those point as being thier primarily for toughness. The same is true for the mean russ, all the artillery, and the baneblades.
When we look at AM consider it as eother being paper then with ridiculous fire power in the form of troops or as being super tough in the form of lots of armor. Most things are good and worth taking, but when you take units keep that simple dichotomy in mind.
As far use us3 for SEE teams they are goodpretty good in two ways. 1 they don't take two slots. Which means you can take about as many as you want. They are also the flamer (and demo charge) kings for the AM. Flamers dont care about BS at all. So the flamer see weapons team is super effuent. Even more effcient because the Las guns can help shoot the same target.
In this role I wonder how this stacks up against a vet squad with flamers, shotguns, and a heavy flamer. I think the special weapons squad might still be top dog here as you get 6 flamers for about the same cost as the vet squad??
I agree with the dichotomy of units available to the IG. And I agree that the extra 90 points that are spent aren't being spent on damage output. For instance since the removal of templates Leman russes have taken a nose dive. However they are very durable so are still viable as durable heavy flamer carriers.
A leman russ is double the durability of a chimera and double the price, ergo its clear all the points spent are going towards improving durability.
However with the vendetta the points aren't all being spent on armour, but also on mobility and transport capacity.
This is clear as day that the vendetta chassis has the durability performance of a model with a much lower point cost. As you can see above the chassis isn't efficiently durable against anything stronger than a lasgun in comparison with a HWT.
I'm not saying that the Vendetta has rubbish durability it's just that points have clearly been allocated towards it being mobile and carrying troops as well - its not a stormraven after all.
Edited by The Catachan Devil, 19 July 2017 - 06:45 PM.