Aothaine Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Hey everyone! I'm looking around for what army to play and examining as many options as I can. I think the chaos cultists models look really good. Anyone know if the cultist sprues can be run with the Index Imperium rules for Astra Militarum? I noticed another post about the Forgeworld book and I know that not a lot of information has been revealed about it. Mainly just playing fun games with some friends but I might also think about taking it to some tournaments so I want to make sure I'm using the best source for rules if I decide to go with Renegades. Anyway, thanks in advance for your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Cato Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 If you're playing the GW cultist models and want to go wysiwyg, then AM isn't the best place. At least half the GW cultists have close combat weapons and pistols, and that's not an options in AM. If counting them all as rifles is not a big deal, the AM is a pretty solid list. R&H In 7th was a very awesome list that ended up having some fairly competitive options. Only time will tell if we will be able to do that in 8th. Tamika and Aothaine 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goreshed Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Easiest will always be using the index and running count as. FW has said they are going to be releasing that sometime soon after the firsr wave. Personally I am leaning more towards Index because now you can take Penitent engines....and flagellents....and other things you can convert. And Admech....dark mech....mmmmm tasty Aothaine 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aothaine Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Thank you for your opinions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamika Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Looks like we are going to need: Rule book Index Imperium 1 Index Imperium 2 Index Chaos Index Astra Militarum Index Forces of Chaos To run a fleshed out arenegades force :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresyBeliever Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Looks like we are going to need: Rule book Index Imperium 1 Index Imperium 2 Index Chaos Index Astra Militarum Index Forces of Chaos To run a fleshed out arenegades force Why Imperial 1? But yes to the rest :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornate individual Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 I was thinking of running some renegades too. Thank God with the streamlining we don't need to carry around a library anymore!...Oh, wait how many indexes is that!?! Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goreshed Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Really only need Imperium 2 and the Chaos book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Really only need Imperium 2 and the Chaos book. And the FW Chaos Index, and the FW Astra Militarum Index for max flavour :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goreshed Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Well....yes if you want to go flavor but if you want to get by well...it's not as bad as it could be. Still only 4 books? Compared to last edition that is nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 The FW chaos index has what 3 or so units for R&H? I'll pass, and technically you probably don't need the chaos index either. Just the Imperium 2 index and the AM FW index really isn't that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) The FW chaos index has what 3 or so units for R&H? I'll pass, and technically you probably don't need the chaos index either. Just the Imperium 2 index and the AM FW index really isn't that bad. There are a lot of units that are purely Renegade (at least 15). And based on IAXIII, most of the tanks, sentinels and lords of war in the AM list and the FW AM book (except for Death Korps and Elysians' own units) will probable be usuable for Renegades, but the chaos index units - being all within the same faction - will surely be able to be mixed in to a Renegade army? In the past Renegades list, there were: HQ - demagogues HQ - their command sqauds HQ - enforcers HQ - psykers TROOPS - renegade infantry platoons TROOPS - mutant rabbles TROOPS - rveterans TROOPS - rzombies ELITES - disciples ELITES - ogryns ELITES - maruaders ELITES - Blood Slaughterer ELITES - Blight Drone ELITES - Noise Marines ELITES - Sonic Dreadnought (RIP - although FB team passed this complaint onto the rules team, apparently) FAST ATTACK - Hellhounds FAST ATTACK - Sentinels FAST ATTACK - Salamanders FAST ATTACK - Valkyries HEAVY SUPPORT - Renegade weapons teams HEAVY SUPPORT - Leman Russes, including Conquerors HEAVY SUPPORT - Rapiers HEAVY SUPPORT - Heavy Ordinance (the Batteries in the contents above) HEAVY SUPPORT - Basilisks and Medusas Squadron HEAVY SUPPORT - Field Support guns (Heavy Quad Launchers or Heavy Mortars) HEAVY SUPPORT - Gryffons or Wyverns HEAVY SUPPORT - Hydras HEAVY SUPPORT - Colossus LORD OF WAR - Baneblade, Malcador Heavy Tank, Malcador Defender, Minotaur Artillery Tank LORD OF WAR - An'ggrath the Unbound, Scabiethrax, Zaraknyei, or Aetaos'rau'keres LORD OF WAR (Mutant) - Giant Chaos Spawn, Spined Chaos Beasts LORD OF WAR (Khorne) - Lord of Skulls or Greater Brass Scorpion LORD OF WAR (Archfield) - Macharius varients LORD OF WAR (Heretek) - Valdor Tank Hunter, Greater Brass Scorpion, Chaos Warhound Titan, or Chaos Reaver Titan Finally, because of the Chaos keyword, you'll be able to mix fearlessly with all the other chaos forces Edited June 22, 2017 by Petitioner's City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Given there are basically no R&H players who don't also have a CSM army, it's hardly a loss that we may need the chaos index as well to use the renegades list. Regardless I'm really looking forward to seeing the rules when they are out tomorrow, hoping for some decent and fun rules for R&H. Petitioner's City 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Given there are basically no R&H players who don't also have a CSM army, it's hardly a loss that we may need the chaos index as well to use the renegades list. Regardless I'm really looking forward to seeing the rules when they are out tomorrow, hoping for some decent and fun rules for R&H. Me too, although I think it is Saturday the AM and Xenos indices come out (curses, I wish they were out tomorrow too!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart1223 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I have the digital. All you need is Imperium 2 and the FW AM index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart1223 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Uncertain worth is still a thing. You have to take a Renegade Commander to unlock covenants, but all units have to have the same covenant as the commander. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karinon Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) From a quick look all previous options are the only options. No new options, so no Shadowswords etc.. Also no Macharius or Valdor. Edited June 23, 2017 by Karinon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart1223 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Covenant Of Slaanesh is almost an auto take. 2D6 choose the highest on advance and 3D6 choose the 2 highest on charges is good. micahwc 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Yeah but if you want to field renegades alongside chaos marines and you still want a convenient, we're still stuck with the old situation of taking your renegade commander as the warlord if you want a covenant. At least since the covenants are not all that amazing I'd be fine with just not taking one and having my chaos lord be the warlord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 I am eating my humble pie here, if people's views on the new index being rubbish are true. Au revoir, demagogue covens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Got the Forge World index for Imperial Guard this weekend. I honestly don't see a reason not to play renegades as regular guard, that just look like heretics. There doesn't seem to be anything particularly special and there are a lot of negatives. Most things are renamed equivalents of something the Astra Militarum gets, but with random leadership and no ability to use orders. All the cool Forge World heavy support they can get so too can Astra Millitarum. I think the only real thing there isn't a direct comparison to is there are three Ogryn choices for the Renegades, and the psyker abilities are different. I was thinking Tzeentch for the better overwatch looks like a good choice as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rednekkboss Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 It depends on the flavor you want. Since Marks of Chaos don't mean much anymore, I'm doing mine with the guard rules and converting minis. Also gives me access to corrupt all sorts of cool Imperial stuff. :) Unless you are playing tournaments with certain rules, I doubt anyone will mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trystram Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 I'm a little confused about the Earthshaker entries... There is the Earhskaker Battery and the Earthshaker Carriage Battery...no crew is listed for the Earthshaker Battery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I'm a little confused about the Earthshaker entries... There is the Earhskaker Battery and the Earthshaker Carriage Battery...no crew is listed for the Earthshaker Battery? Good eye, thats hilarious. 80pt automated Basilisks, deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Earthshaker battery can't ever move, has no crew, and doesn't have a model available any more because it's out of print. Earthshaker carriage can move if you dedicate a special vehicle to do it, costs more than the battery after you include the required 3 crewman, is easier to neutralize because those three crewman are all 1 wound T3, and has a really expensive model available. Heavy Mortar carriage can move if you dedicate a special vehicle to do it, costs almost as much as an earthshaker battery after including the 3 required crewmen, and is basically worse than the Earthshaker Battery in every other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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