Kierdale Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Inspired by Morticon’s post in the BA forum, herein lies a quick reference for all of you to see which characters you want to take for what job. All bubbles/auras are for UNITS within 6” unless otherwise noted. Also remember, as per 8th ed. aura rules, these affect the model itself too, unless otherwise noted. Generic Chaos Lord (on foot, in TDA, on bike) Lord of Chaos – LEGION units reroll hit rolls of 1. Chaos Lord on Juggernaut Lord of Chaos – KHORNE LEGION units reroll hit rolls of 1. <DAEMON> Gains the keyword (and thus can be affected by Chaos Daemon aura effects e.g. +1S from Herald). Chaos Lord on Disc Lord of Chaos – TZEENTCH LEGION units reroll hit rolls of 1. <DAEMON> Gains the keyword (and thus can be affected by Chaos Daemon aura effects e.g. +1S from Herald). Chaos Lord on Palanquin Lord of Chaos – NURGLE LEGION units reroll hit rolls of 1. <DAEMON> Gains the keyword (and thus can be affected by Chaos Daemon aura effects e.g. +1S from Herald). Chaos Lord on Steed of Slaanesh Lord of Chaos – SLAANESH LEGION units reroll hit rolls of 1. <DAEMON> Gains the keyword (and thus can be affected by Chaos Daemon aura effects e.g. +1S from Herald). Sorcerer on Disc <DAEMON> Gains the keyword (and thus can be affected by Chaos Daemon aura effects e.g. +1S from Herald). Sorcerer on Palanquin <DAEMON> Gains the keyword (and thus can be affected by Chaos Daemon aura effects e.g. +1S from Herald). Sorcerer on Steed of Slaanesh <DAEMON> Gains the keyword (and thus can be affected by Chaos Daemon aura effects e.g. +1S from Herald). Sorcerer on Juggernaut Mad Effrontery - Is eaten by own mount at the beginning of turn one. Dark Apostle Dark Zealotry –LEGION units reroll failed hit rolls in the Fight phase. Demagogue – LEGION unit can use his Ld in the Morale phase. (CSM) Daemon Prince Prince of Chaos –LEGION (and [sAME GOD] DAEMON) units reroll hit rolls of 1. Icon of Despair - -1 LD to enemies within 3". Raptors Fearsome Visage - enemy units within 1" add +1 to their morale roll. Warband/Legion Specific Abaddon The Despoiler Lord of the Black Legion – reroll failed hits for BLACK LEGION. Mark of Chaos Ascendant – HERETIC ASTARTES auto-pass Morale tests within 12”. Huron Blackheart Lord of the Red Corsairs – RED CORSAIRS auto-pass Morale. Cypher Lord Cypher – FALLEN reroll hit rolls of 1. Khârn Kill! Maim! Burn! – WORLD EATERS reroll hit rolls within 1”. Magnus the Red Primarch of the Thousand Sons – reroll hit rolls of 1 and invulnerable saving throws of 1 for THOUSAND SONS within 9”. Ahriman Lord of the Thousand Sons – reroll invulnerable saving throws of 1 for THOUSAND SONS within 6”. Exalted Sorcerer Lord of the Thousand Sons – reroll invulnerable saving throws of 1 for THOUSAND SONS within 6”. Typhus Nurgle’s Gift – All DEATHGUARD models within 7” have an aura of plague. Each enemy unit within 1” suffers a mortal wound on a 4+ roll of 1D6 at the start of your turn. Host of the Destroyer Hive – POXWALKERS within 7” get+1S and +1T. Lord of Contagion Nurgle’s Gift – All DEATHGUARD models within 7” have an aura of plague. Each enemy unit within 1” suffers a mortal wound on a 4+ roll of 1D6 at the start of your turn. Noxious Blightbringer Tocsin of Misery - -1Ld for enemy units within 7” (Psykers -2Ld). DEATHGUARD within 7” roll 2D6 to advance and take the higher result. Lucius Lord of Slaanesh – reroll hit rolls of 1 for EMPEROR’s CHILDREN. Chaos Daemons Be’Lakor Lord of Torment – Enemy -1Ld within 12”. Prince of Chaos - reroll hit rolls of 1 for DAEMON units (Warp Talons, Heldrake... ) Skarbrand Rage Embodied – all units within 8” do not take Morale tests, cannot fall back and get +1 attack. Skulltaker Locus of Decapitation - +1 to hit for friendly BLOODLETTER units within 8”. [All Greater Daemons] – Blood Thirsters, Great Unclean Ones, Keepers of Secrets, Lords of Change Greater Daemon – friendly KHORNE DAEMON units make use this daemon’s Ld for Morale tests. [All Heralds] Herald of [GOD] - +1S for friendly [GOD] DAEMON units. The Changeling Locus of Transmogrification – enemy attacks against friendly TZEENTCH DAEMON units within 9” suffer a -1 to hit. The Masque Locus of Beguilement – opponent must -1 from hit rolls targeting DAEMONETTE units within 6” in the Fight Phase. The Eternal Dance – At the beginning of the Fight Phase choose an enemy unit within 1”. For the rest of the phase +1 to all to hit rolls vs that unit. Fiends of Slaanesh Disruptive Song – Enemy PSYKERs within 12” subtract 1 from Psychic tests. Soporific Musk – Enemy units within 1” cannot Fall Back (unless they can FLY). (CD) Daemon Prince Prince of Chaos – [sAME GOD] DAEMON units reroll hit rolls of 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Thanks for this, very helpful to have it all in one place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 It does not appear that our CSM daemons (Warp Talons, Heldrakes, etc.) can be affected by CD character auras (e.g. a Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage’s Greater Daemon Ld aura) that require the keywords DAEMON and one of the four god: for example Khornate Warp Talons have the Keyword `Daemon` and `Khorne Mark of Chaos` but not `Khorne`. Should this be changed/cleared up, I’ll edit the post. On page 10 of index chaos under <Mark of chaos> any unit with the keyword <mark of chaos> must nominate the appropriate keyword being Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Nurgle, Khorne. So the keyword becomes "Khorne" not "Mark of Khorne" so a unit in the Heretic Astartes list with both "demon" and "khorne" would benefit from the bloodthirster aura. Thanks for the compilation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Abaia Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 It does not appear that our CSM daemons (Warp Talons, Heldrakes, etc.) can be affected by CD character auras (e.g. a Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage’s Greater Daemon Ld aura) that require the keywords DAEMON and one of the four god: for example Khornate Warp Talons have the Keyword `Daemon` and `Khorne Mark of Chaos` but not `Khorne`. Should this be changed/cleared up, I’ll edit the post. If a Heretic Astartes datasheet does not specify which Mark of Chaos a unit has, it will have the <Mark of Chaos> keyword. When you include such a unit in your army, you must nominate which Mark of Chaos the unit has. Then you simply replace the <Mark of Chaos> keyword in every instance on that units datasheet with one of the following: Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, or Slaanesh. Note that psykers cannot have the Khorne keyword. It looks like there is no difference. I think marked Warp Talons would gain +1S from a herald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted June 8, 2017 Author Share Posted June 8, 2017 Thanks for pointing that out. I happily have more work to do now :D I'll edit the original post as soon as I can and put in the new info. :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Correction: Khârn's aura allows rerolling to-hit rolls for World Eaters within 1 inch. I.e. not just 1's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karinon Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 It looks like a Dark Apostle is the most useful if just running Legion units (especially as it's so cheap), but a Daemon Prince is better if running CSM and Daemons together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Shumway Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Icons of flame and icons of despair give aura effects as well. Flame gives a mortal wound to any enemy unit that rolls a 6 on a d6 within 12" and despair is -1 enemy unit LD within 3". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Good post Kier, thanks :tu: I must admit to liking Abaddons new rules, esp when seen against all the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 Edited Did I miss anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Abaia Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 If you are including debuffs the Icon of Despair gives -1 LD to enemies within 3" of the unit and Raptors make enemy units within 1" add +1 to their morale roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Edited Did I miss anything? Chaos Lords that take Daemonic Mounts gain the Daemon Keyword so they are effected auras that benefit their patrons daemons. So for example a Slaanesh Lord on a Steed near a Herald would benefit from +1 strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Edited Did I miss anything? Chaos Lords that take Daemonic Mounts gain the Daemon Keyword so they aura would effect the their patrons daemons and vise versa. So for example a Slaanesh Lord on a Steed grants Seekers re-rolls of 1, while the Herald grants him +1 strength. I don't think so unfortunately , I'v just only seen the Palanquin lord but his ability specifically targets Nurgle <Legion> models so normal daemons wouldn't be affected only daemon CSM units that shared the same legion keywordEdit: yeah both the steed, disc and jugger lords are the same as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sersi Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Edited Did I miss anything? Chaos Lords that take Daemonic Mounts gain the Daemon Keyword so they aura would effect the their patrons daemons and vise versa. So for example a Slaanesh Lord on a Steed grants Seekers re-rolls of 1, while the Herald grants him +1 strength. Just re-read the entry your are correct the Chaos Lord doesn't effect daemons; but can be effected by daemon auras that target "[GOD] DAEMON". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 That's a really cool catch :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Aiwass Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 Very good for juggerlords. With a fist he'll be hitting at S12 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted June 11, 2017 Share Posted June 11, 2017 I have been looking at various daemon combos, and one I plan on using is this;A Thousand Sons focused list with a changeling added in. The Changeling is fairly cheap for what you are getting and is not bad given the correct circumstance (dueling an HQ on the charge) The Locus of Transmogrifcation is somewhat insane given the Thousand Sons list, requires "Tzeentch Daemon" to activate and the list of things this encompasses within the chaos marine range is rather large. Warp talons, All daemon engines (Defiler, mauler/forge fiend, Heldrake), Sorcerers on Discs, Daemon princes, Possessed, and an even bigger point; Magnus the Red.I plan on building a Rubric focused list that will have the changeling, Magnus, and a couple of Daemon engines / daemon prince, 1-2 sorcerers on Disc behind the line of Rubricae. The Rubricae will benefit from Magnus / Sorcerers re-roll invuls of a 1 and re-rolls to hit from the prince/Magnus.Magnus and the engines (along with any exposed sorcerer/daemon prince) will highly benefit from that lovely -1 to hit anything targeting them. (Making the Dakkafiends ludicrously hard to kill IMO) Hide behind the line, and of course anyone who engages the rubricae will get exactly 1 turn of swinging before the flyers jump over the line and proceed to dig out the dust bunnies. It of course also benefits magnus, making him even MORE difficult to kill then he already is while supporting the army.At least in theory this is what I would like to run, it looks like a cool list, has some unique overlapping buffs, It may end up being decent on the table....I shall make it a point to find out soon! Opinions and Criticisms welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted June 14, 2017 Author Share Posted June 14, 2017 I edited in the icon of despair, the Raptors, that Lords on mounts gain the keyword Daemon and added in mounted sorcerers. :) Give it a check over if you have the chance :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maschinenpriester Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Seems like Lucius might be worth taking now. =) At least some synergy with noise marines now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPTIMVSCHRISTVS Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 With the new character rules, I'm liking the sound of Khârn or Abby on foot running next to a Spartan for 8 twin-linked las shots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodd1888 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Have you considered summoning in the Changeling? That'll allow you to still max the command points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 The Changeling is certainly a good choice for any Tzeentch army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Zhufor the Impaler: Re-roll 1's to hit for friendly SKULLTAKERS within 6". Adds 1 to enemy morale rolls within 6". Necrosius the Undying: Add 1 to hit rolls for friendly THE TAINTED units within 6" during the fight phase. Also, poxwalkers within 6" can re-roll 1's for disgustingly resilient. Lord Arkos, Master of the Faithless: May add 1 to advance & charge rolls for THE FAITHLESS units within 6". Chaos Hellwright: Any HELLFORGED models within 6" of the Hellwright add +1 to attacks and Leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 Thanks, Venomlust, I'll edit them in when I have time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted June 18, 2018 Author Share Posted June 18, 2018 I haven’t yet edited these in but will do so. Are there more that can be added? :) Zhufor the Impaler: Re-roll 1's to hit for friendly SKULLTAKERS within 6". Adds 1 to enemy morale rolls within 6". Necrosius the Undying: Add 1 to hit rolls for friendly THE TAINTED units within 6" during the fight phase. Also, poxwalkers within 6" can re-roll 1's for disgustingly resilient. Lord Arkos, Master of the Faithless: May add 1 to advance & charge rolls for THE FAITHLESS units within 6". Chaos Hellwright: Any HELLFORGED models within 6" of the Hellwright add +1 to attacks and Leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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