HeritorA Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Release date set for 14 October. Splendid - that amazing date than at last Imperium Secundus absolutely filler sidequest line would be forgotten. Hussah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) Tuchulcha is a Deus Ex Machina device that, yes, finds its origins in the Lion's efforts to win the Thramas Crusade, but was first and foremost created to serve Thorpe's M41 storyline in The Unforgiven: It exists to facilitate the paradoxical time-space manipulation that results in Azrael scattering the Fallen from Caliban ten thousand years earlier. Thorpe, Abnett, Kyme, Haley, and whoever else wrote stories of the Dark Angels set in Imperium Secundus, conveniently ignored the fact that Tuchulcha was able to bypass the Ruinstorm and thus made the premise of that storyline ("we must assume the Emperor is dead") unnecessary. Sure, the Lion could hand off Tuchulcha to Sanguinius, which would require an individual whose penchant for secrecy amounts to shooting himself in the foot to admit to his brother(s) that he's been in possession of a sanctioned warp artifact. Him doing so and then somehow subsequently recovering it after the Siege of Terra will probably be no more ham-fisted than what I suspect will actually happen: Tuchulcha will suddenly not work as advertised because of [hand-waving]. Edited October 12, 2017 by Phoebus rendingon1+, Roomsky and HeritorA 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) Tuchulcha is a Deus Ex Machina device that, yes, finds its origins in the Lion's efforts to win the Thramas Crusade, but was first and foremost created to serve Thorpe's M41 storyline in The Unforgiven: It exists to facilitate the paradoxical time-space manipulation that results in Azrael scattering the Fallen from Caliban ten thousand years earlier. Thorpe, Abnett, Kyme, Haley, and whoever wrote shorts of one sort or another of the Dark Angels in Imperium Secundus, conveniently ignored the fact that Tuchulcha was able to bypass the Ruinstorm and thus made the premise of that storyline ("we must assume the Emperor is dead") unnecessary. Sure, the Lion could hand off Tuchulcha to Sanguinius, which would require an individual whose penchant for secrecy amounts to shooting himself in the foot to admit to his brother(s) that he's been in possession of a sanctioned warp artifact. Him doing so and then somehow subsequently recovering it after the Siege of Terra will probably be no more ham-fisted than what I suspect will actually happen: Tuchulcha will suddenly not work as advertised because of [hand-waving]. That's exactly the case - why Lion will give Tuchulka to Sanguinius - 'exactly' cause 'Him doing so and then somehow subsequently recovering it after the Siege of Terra will probably be no more ham-fisted' Which will give BL ability to create more books - Lion search for Tuchulka. DA search for Lion searhing for Tuchulka. Etc. and yada yada. Their business model is exactly the case of how to produce more books from thin air. They are business and that;s why Lion will giev Tuchulka to Sanguinius. And subsequent books for it's search would be made. Anyway we will know for sure on October 14th. Edited September 14, 2017 by HeritorA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 The excerpt released at no points suggests that this will happen- why are you complaining about it already? Noserenda, bluntblade and Indefragable 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 No, it hints that the Lion is off somewhere else. Meaning we can make a guess that he's using it to go where he wants. Maybe he's gone to Caliban. I know it's probably not in the timeline but he is super secret. Also. How exactly do you "give" an alien artefact to another fleet when it's not exactly bound to anyone in particular? It's important to remember that HeritorA is a time traveller from the future where he has already been "pre-disappointed" about the release of various novels and he likes to come and tell us about it :p mr.crusader, DarkChaplain, Thurservor and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Doesn't the Lion end up heading for Terra with Russ? Maybe this novel will bridge that gap for us Phoebus 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceofAllTradez Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Doesn't the Lion end up heading for Terra with Russ? Maybe this novel will bridge that gap for us I would absolutely love that. R_F_D 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Doesn't the Lion end up heading for Terra with Russ? Maybe this novel will bridge that gap for us I would absolutely love that. Something something Russ* tries to take on Horus something something Lion diverts to rescue reinforce him something something? * Wolf Cull or something that people keep say is coming out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Could work out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 No, it hints that the Lion is off somewhere else. Meaning we can make a guess that he's using it to go where he wants. Maybe he's gone to Caliban. I know it's probably not in the timeline but he is super secret. Also. How exactly do you "give" an alien artefact to another fleet when it's not exactly bound to anyone in particular? It's important to remember that HeritorA is a time traveller from the future where he has already been "pre-disappointed" about the release of various novels and he likes to come and tell us about it Well - I could be wrong, but due to the greed of HH timeline and some cough editors/authors that's exactly what will happen. Logic - I would only be glad if I'm wrong. Doesn't the Lion end up heading for Terra with Russ? Maybe this novel will bridge that gap for us Hope it will - Lion will separate himself from Guilli and will find leftovers of Russ forces afterYarant on the way. Doesn't the Lion end up heading for Terra with Russ? Maybe this novel will bridge that gap for usI would absolutely love that. Something something Russ* tries to take on Horus something something Lion diverts to rescue reinforce him something something? * Wolf Cull or something that people keep say is coming out Nope. Wolf Cull is the event - then Russ attacked Horus and was beaten to the state in which he was found by Corax at Yarant. Different timeline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 WH Community summarizes IS storyline so far to bring readers up to speed just in advance of the release of Ruinstorm. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10/11/a-brief-history-of-imperium-secundus/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 The best part is the full cover art (sadly not full-sized for desktops, but hey) veterannoob and Lazarine 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 ....the Primarchs are supposed to be the paragon of human nobility and perfection right? Why are they so ugly in that cover 0.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Neil Roberts is hit or miss...usually miss IMO Was the Lion Sword broken in AoC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebus Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Neil Roberts is hit or miss...usually miss IMO Was the Lion Sword broken in AoC? “Curze was still within reach. One strike would be all it took to sever his head properly. Perhaps sensing the Lion’s thoughts, Guilliman moved. His attention focused on the Night Haunter, the Lion did not react until the Lion Sword was already in the fist of the other primarch. He turned, thinking to take back his weapon, but was frozen by the look of cold rage in Guilliman’s eyes. Jaw twitching, the primarch of the Ultramarines took the Lion’s blade in both hands and brought it down sharply across his knee. The Lion watched the blade split along the fuller, breaking into two shards that glittered in artificial sunlight as they toppled from Guilliman’s spreading fingers. They fell into the white sand at the Lion’s feet. ‘Your sword for your oath,’ Guilliman growled, teeth gritted. ‘Such has become your honour, knight of Caliban.” Excerpt From Angels of Caliban Gav Thorpe https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/angels-of-caliban/id1122414375?mt=11 This material may be protected by copyright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Ah yes...I recall something like that happens in AoC (still find Thorpe's prose annoying) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 from the man himself on twitter It’s a direct follow to Angels of Caliban, so that might be the most crucial. There are links to Pythos, though JH79 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 from the man himself on twitter It’s a direct follow to Angels of Caliban, so that might be the most crucial. There are links to Pythos, though Boom!! That is awesome to hear re links to Pythos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I freakin' adored Angel's of Caliban. Close second to Master of Mankind in books for me personally. I'm so excited for this it's unreal. Most of all, Sanguinius has a Spear & Sword... Hopefully his model will to! JH79 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) Some people on FB are already reading this. I'm still seeing this as "coming soon" on the Black Library page, tho... My hype is strong. I NEED TO READ THIS BOOK! PS: Artwork from the digital edition, found on Facebook. Edited October 14, 2017 by The_Bloody DarkChaplain, Noserenda, JH79 and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Oh I love that. I reminds me so much of Luthor! :O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 That artwork is awesome! This is deffo now up at Black Library! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 And yet another author gets to have a go at Curze. He's actually a Bond Villain now isn't he? (In my opinion of course!) I like the Art though it's a nice piece, I just want more of the Night Lords I give a monkeys about if any more is done on them at all. I'd rather they be left alone now to be completely honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 And yet another author gets to have a go at Curze. He's actually a Bond Villain now isn't he? (In my opinion of course!) I like the Art though it's a nice piece, I just want more of the Night Lords I give a monkeys about if any more is done on them at all. I'd rather they be left alone now to be completely honest. I mean, following on from the story that it does, Curze was obviously gonna be in it to some extent... DarkChaplain 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 And yet another author gets to have a go at Curze. He's actually a Bond Villain now isn't he? (In my opinion of course!) I like the Art though it's a nice piece, I just want more of the Night Lords I give a monkeys about if any more is done on them at all. I'd rather they be left alone now to be completely honest. I mean, following on from the story that it does, Curze was obviously gonna be in it to some extent...Sevatar and a chunk of Atramentar have done a square nothing bar a quick short story since the end of Prince of Crows and they're in the exact same place Curze is. They're just sitting there and taking it. And it seems we aren't getting any more of Sev this Heresy unless someone else is writing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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