Heliomanes Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 With equipment, depending on your loadout, it looks like the Fire Raptor can get over 350 points.The invuln save on the contemptor is 5+ against shooting and overwatch, and 4+ in melee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 The Sicaran has T7 14W and a 3+ save. When on full health it can move up to 14' and hits on a 3+. The sponsons can either be lascannons or heavy bolters as usual, but the star of the show, the twin accelerator autocannon, now does 8 s7 shots at -1 ap with 2 damage each. It also hits flyers normally without any negatives, and rolls of a 6 to wound makes the ap -3. Midnightmare, Rune Priest Ridcully and BrassClaw 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnightmare Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 That Sicaran is looking neat!! Thanks Heliomanes :tu: Now to decide on heavy bolter or lasers for my now defunct Hades Rapiers, and the Deredeo to round of my Heavy Support :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 Agreed. It doesn''t have the daemonic keyword or anything like that - but seeing as it can eat people to gain health I think it's safe to say that fluffwise, you're not dealing with leprechauns. Fluff-wise, sure, I just wanted to be clear that it wouldn't be benefitting from, say, the aura effects of daemonic heralds or the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Rapiers are looking nuts. Quad heavy bolters have 12 shots each, and a laser destroyer can do anything from 1 to 18 damage per wound. 7 on average. The rapier itself wants to fight in melee and regenerates wounds if it eats anyone,which is hilarious.Edit: Yeah I was unclear Malisteen, thanks for correcting me. :) Edited June 17, 2017 by Heliomanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kallozar Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Agreed. It doesn''t have the daemonic keyword or anything like that - but seeing as it can eat people to gain health I think it's safe to say that fluffwise, you're not dealing with leprechauns. Fluff-wise, sure, I just wanted to be clear that it wouldn't be benefitting from, say, the aura effects of daemonic heralds or the like. This is perfect thanks guys. I was wanting to know from a fluff perspective anyway, so it is daemonic from a fluff view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ShinKosh Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 With equipment, depending on your loadout, it looks like the Fire Raptor can get over 350 points. The invuln save on the contemptor is 5+ against shooting and overwatch, and 4+ in melee. Awesome, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 The Sicaran is looking like a good awnser to fliers and hoards, give it as many heavy bolters as you can and watch the dakka fly?How does the Venator compare? I'm debating between a normal Sicaran, venator, leviathan or Doredro for my Thousand sons.This does look like it could solve a lot to problems with Chaos though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Any information about the hellforged Contemptor? Is dual kheres assault cannons a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 The venator is hilarious. Pretty much the same chassis, but his main gun is a "malignatas beam laser", which doesn't roll to wound normally. Instead, you have to take a leadership test on 3d6 - if you fail, you take 2d6 damage. 1 shot, ap-5. If it killed anyone the preceding turn, then you roll another damage die and discard the lowest.The contemptor can exchange one or both deathclaws (with combibolter) with:chainclaws (with combibolter)twin heavy boltermultimelta (not twin? why? FW only sells twin multimeltas for contemptors.)twin autocannonectoplasma cannonkheres assault cannonc-beam cannon (new name for the conversion beamer)or a butcher cannon.The combibolters can be exchanged for hellflamers, ectoplasma blasters (giggle), or soulburners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Nice!! Might need to make an order to forgeworld for a DG Contemptor now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heliomanes Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Yeah I think they look quite good. I have two Osiron dreadnaughts painted and ready to go, and I'm really looking forward to fielding them. FW haven't included any amendments for making them Legion X or Y though, so RAW we can't play any of the included units as Thousand Sons or Death Guard because of the lists in the GW index saying: "only the following units can be Death Guard or Thousand sons".A proper codex should kill off that numbskullery. For now I'll use my contemptors as Legion: Not Thousand Sons, along with my Sekhmet Terminators - and add them in with the regular Kson units in their detachments as normal. They just won't get the command aura benefits from Magnus, Ahriman and Exalted Sorcerers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPTIMVSCHRISTVS Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 It's worth noting that flamestorm cannons and heavy flamer sponsons are an option for the Hellforged Predator- I know I'll be taking 2 of my unpainted Baal Preds and suitably Chaosifying them. Raven1 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 I'm digging blood slaughterers. 10" base move (before degrading) + 6" advance automatically means he's covering ground quickly. Also, is now a fast attack choice. Can't be summoned, unfortunately, but is still great against infantry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukash_ Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 The Hell Blade looks pretty nice. 30 old meltabombs with twin helstorm cannons that hit other FLY models on a 2+. Now to find somewhere to actually buy the model. tbone 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathis Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 The contemptor can only change ONE claw for a cannon arm, not both, and it has always been a normal multi melta, not twinlink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Twin lascannon/autocannon and a fist of sorts with an inbuilt whatever seems like a decent mix of weaponry to handle lots of targets. Soulburners sound pretty cool, especially since it's hits that cause mortal wounds and bs starts at 2+. Gotta say, I'm a little stumped as to why they removed upgrade options like havoc launchers and inbuilt meltaguns from contemptors. Neither are overpowered at all, and the parts/products exist. They're making less money for no good reason. Obviously not the biggest deal, just a bit odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamIsCollapsing Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Don't forger the cherry on the Sicarian : Is Autocannon are Assalt weapon. So you can advance and still shoot, or move and still shoot at full BS, crush a Flyers and eat some infantry to heal (not sure this part is actually worth it, but assault weapon on autocannon are great). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 The contemptor can only change ONE claw for a cannon arm, not both, and it has always been a normal multi melta, not twinlinkWhat is the exact wording used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Yeah I think they look quite good. I have two Osiron dreadnaughts painted and ready to go, and I'm really looking forward to fielding them. FW haven't included any amendments for making them Legion X or Y though, so RAW we can't play any of the included units as Thousand Sons or Death Guard because of the lists in the GW index saying: "only the following units can be Death Guard or Thousand sons". A proper codex should kill off that numbskullery. For now I'll use my contemptors as Legion: Not Thousand Sons, along with my Sekhmet Terminators - and add them in with the regular Kson units in their detachments as normal. They just won't get the command aura benefits from Magnus, Ahriman and Exalted Sorcerers I really, really hope no one tries to argue this, any hope of a clarification/confirmation TS/DG can take the FW units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathis Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Text say A hellforge contemptor may replace one deathclaw and one combi-bolter with one of the following - list of weapons. But bloody hell i did not see they took away the normal melta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 So how does that stop dualkheres? All it does is specify that in order to get one kheres, you have to trade one deathclaw and one combi-weapon. If you want two kheres, then you trade two and two. It specifies what you have to trade in order to receive, that's it. Not that you can only do it once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hathis Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Hope you are correct then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 IMO you can only replace one claw with a gun, given that it says one or both for other upgrade options. the jeske and adreal 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Well, let's put it this way. If we put it into the interpretation that only one deathclaw and one combi-weapon can be traded, then you can only trade once, period. Meaning you will be stuck with one cc arm and one, whatever arm you trade for. So, there's a lot more than just hoping that I'm right. Is there any fluff background in there or is it just datasheets, rules, and wargear lists like the Chaos Index? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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