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Shas la T'au Kais rules?


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So i recently read the book "fire warrior" and liked it alot. I think it really gives alot of character to the Tau empire, and especially to one fire warrior in particular, Kais. Does anyone know if there are any rules i could proxy for him, or another model with rules i could use?



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Well he's the same dude but a Shas'o in Dawn of War: Dark Crusade and one of Puretide's three main pupils in the fluff now. In DoW he has armor similar to Shadowsun - that experimental doodad.

I'd use the Shadowsun model with the helmet and outfit him accordingly. Run him as a Shadowsun stand in or just give him regular commander rules. Otherwise, maybe run him as a cadre fireblade?
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Well he's the same dude but a Shas'o in Dawn of War: Dark Crusade and one of Puretide's three main pupils in the fluff now. In DoW he has armor similar to Shadowsun - that experimental doodad.

I'd use the Shadowsun model with the helmet and outfit him accordingly. Run him as a Shadowsun stand in or just give him regular commander rules. Otherwise, maybe run him as a cadre fireblade?

I think your first option is likely best. I havent seen 8th rules for tau yet but are fire blades worth it?



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Well he's the same dude but a Shas'o in Dawn of War: Dark Crusade and one of Puretide's three main pupils in the fluff now. In DoW he has armor similar to Shadowsun - that experimental doodad.

I'd use the Shadowsun model with the helmet and outfit him accordingly. Run him as a Shadowsun stand in or just give him regular commander rules. Otherwise, maybe run him as a cadre fireblade?

I think your first option is likely best. I havent seen 8th rules for tau yet but are fire blades worth it?

Look at my Ring of Fire tactic thread and tell me ;) but yeah they are an effective, cheap HQ choice to get your 3 command points.
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Same chap, really? I thought I read somewhere that his exploits made him go crazy?

Anyway, I loved that game.

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Same chap, really? I thought I read somewhere that his exploits made him go crazy?

Anyway, I loved that game.

 

Developer commentary indicated it was indeed the same dude who killed chaos dreadnoughts with a bolter :P

 

...but man was the bolter in that game super realistic!


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Same chap, really? I thought I read somewhere that his exploits made him go crazy?

Anyway, I loved that game.


Developer commentary indicated it was indeed the same dude who killed chaos dreadnoughts with a bolter :P

...but man was the bolter in that game super realistic!
while the game had some questionable story elements, I honestly think it's the only game to get the aesthetic of 40k perfectly. Like, those bolters dude...
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It's a shame Burt Kwouk didn't make it to join kais. I'm sure I still have fire warrior in my parents loft. Will send it to the eternal crusade developers to point them back in the right direction :P
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Waaayyyy back in White Dwarf 288 (Jan 2004 US issue) there was a one time special scenario the White Dwarf team did with the Fire Warrior game developers, that had stats for Kais:

 

Kais , Points N/A , WS3 , BS4 , S3 , T3 , W2 , I3 , A2 , LD8 , SV4+ 
Wargear : Rail rifle with target lock designator and photon grenades.
 
SPECIAL RULES 
Unswerving loyalty: Kais is unswerving in his loyalty to the Greater Good and will never veer from his cause. As such, Kais automatically passes all Morale checks, and any unit he is with will also benefit from this rule.
 
Divine destiny: A great hero of the Tau, Kais seems destined to achieve his mission, despite all the odds. Whenever Kais takes a wound he may allocate it to another Tau model within 2" of him before any saving throws are taken. This represents Kais dodging at the final moment or another Fire Warrior selflessly sacrificing himself for the Greater Good.
 
Technologically adept: Kais has modified his own rail rifle to be lighter and more streamlined than the version commonly used by Pathfinders. Due to the Rail rifle's innovative design, it is regarded as Assault 2 rather than Heavy 1 , so Kais can move and shoot with it. Furthermore , Kais's Rail rifle does not suffer the "Get Hot" weapon rule if he uses his Target lock designator.
 
Independent Character As per 40k rule book , though in the scenario he starts attached to either a Fire Warrior or Pathfinder squad.
 
Nowadays I'd just take a Cadre Fireblade and call it a day, unless you want to proxy Shadowsun or a Shas'o.
 
As far as him being insane, at the end of the novel he was in a medical ward recovering from his brush with Chaos.  They left it there.  It wasn't touched further save for the bit of video game where it was implied it was the same Kais.  So.. your mental fluff may vary but I see no reason why he couldn't with time and treatment recover from his PTSD msn-wink.gif
 
(went and dug through my collection, and I do have a copy of that issue, it was also one with a Bretonnian map campaign so I made sure to get it)

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Waaayyyy back in White Dwarf 288 (Jan 2004 US issue) there was a one time special scenario the White Dwarf team did with the Fire Warrior game developers, that had stats for Kais:

 

Kais , Points N/A , WS3 , BS4 , S3 , T3 , W2 , I3 , A2 , LD8 , SV4+ 
Wargear : Rail rifle with target lock designator and photon grenades.
 
SPECIAL RULES 
Unswerving loyalty: Kais is unswerving in his loyalty to the Greater Good and will never veer from his cause. As such, Kais automatically passes all Morale checks, and any unit he is with will also benefit from this rule.
 
Divine destiny: A great hero of the Tau, Kais seems destined to achieve his mission, despite all the odds. Whenever Kais takes a wound he may allocate it to another Tau model within 2" of him before any saving throws are taken. This represents Kais dodging at the final moment or another Fire Warrior selflessly sacrificing himself for the Greater Good.
 
Technologically adept: Kais has modified his own rail rifle to be lighter and more streamlined than the version commonly used by Pathfinders. Due to the Rail rifle's innovative design, it is regarded as Assault 2 rather than Heavy 1 , so Kais can move and shoot with it. Furthermore , Kais's Rail rifle does not suffer the "Get Hot" weapon rule if he uses his Target lock designator.
 
Independent Character As per 40k rule book , though in the scenario he starts attached to either a Fire Warrior or Pathfinder squad.
 
Nowadays I'd just take a Cadre Fireblade and call it a day, unless you want to proxy Shadowsun or a Shas'o.
 
As far as him being insane, at the end of the novel he was in a medical ward recovering from his brush with Chaos.  They left it there.  It wasn't touched further save for the bit of video game where it was implied it was the same Kais.  So.. your mental fluff may vary but I see no reason why he couldn't with time and treatment recover from his PTSD msn-wink.gif
 
(went and dug through my collection, and I do have a copy of that issue, it was also one with a Bretonnian map campaign so I made sure to get it)

 

hey, i like those rules! Now gw...make them work in 8th



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I played through Fire Warrior, like 3, 4 times waaaayyy back, it was on PS2 right? About the same time as the first SOCOM with voice commands iirc.

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Also, I'll look at formatting the above Rules into a Datasheet.
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Here we go, I started with Darkstrider's Datasheet as a base, but upgraded Kais to Power 4 due to his added survivability,

 

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Edited by Grotsmasha, 20 June 2017 - 07:01 AM.
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You've got his rank wrong smile.png  Shas'O are in battlesuits, whereas a Shas'la or Shas'ui would be on foot.  The Cadre Fireblade is as far as one can advance without donning a battlesuit in the Tau military.

 

Technical nit-pick though smile.png  Otherwise it looks good!

 

Just noticed the rule about "any unit he is with" will need a radius as Characters cannot join units now.  Perhaps the same 2" radius?  6" seems a bit powerful for one minor Shas'la (which he is at the time of the game and that profile).  Technically the target lock they gave him is redundant now, as at the time it is what allowed a model to target a separate target from the rest of his unit (split-fire).


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Updated above


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bloody awesome






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