micahwc Posted August 10, 2017 Author Share Posted August 10, 2017 New list idea, keeping the scorpius' home for now. Just a battalion detachment this time, but I added Icons to just about everything. Last time I went was a tournament and almost everyone had Imperium armies, so I've thrown an Icon of Excess on just about everything that can take it for the 5+ DttFE. Seriously, last time there was 1 Tyranid player and everything else was some form of Imperial. HQ: These guys are mostly to help everything shoot better via prescience and the Lord's reroll 1 ability. Sorcerer Lord Elite: 5 chosen, 4 plasma, Icon of Excess 5 chosen, 4 plasma, Icon of Excess Troops 10 chaos marines, 2 heavy bolters, Icon of Excess 10 chaos marines, 2 heavy bolters, Icon of Excess 10 chaos marines, 2 heavy bolters, Icon of Excess Heavy Support 5 Havoks, 4 missile launchers, Icon of Excess 5 Havoks, 4 missile launchers, Icon of Excess 5 Havoks, 4 Lascannons, Icon of Excess Cant wait for the codex to drop so I can infiltrate the plasma and shoot the lascannons twice per turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Icon of excess is good but wasted on five man units of havocs, that unit only has six attack so on average you're getting one extra attack, not worth it. Not even great for standard marines with bolters either who don't do great in assaults. Now if you geared up one chosen unit for an assault then it would be solid but I think your list is good as is with the heavy plasma/missile focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Did some painting tonight. Also ordered 6 lascannons. Here is the group shot after the infamous battle of Ding Room Chair 3. http://i.imgur.com/3NMGuF6.jpg My sorcerer with force sword, plasma pistol, and snazzy cape http://i.imgur.com/6VXl0nR.jpg Sorcerer and Dark Apostle http://i.imgur.com/gTtcZj1.jpg Group shot of everything I have painted http://i.imgur.com/0SjiyNj.jpg Azekai 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 So if I drop the icons off the chaos marines and havoks I free up 60 points. I'm not really sure what to do with the left over points other than to add numbers to the havoks to keep them firing longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Just realized I can give my chosen sgts combi-plasma, so I converted two up real quick. http://i.imgur.com/rO12re5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Mmkay, tournament list take 3 or 4 or whatever.... 5 or 6 or whatever Battalion detachment Lord, plasma pistol, power axe Lord, plasma pistol, power axe Dark Apostle, plasma pistol, power maul 8 chosen, 5 plasma, combi-plasma on the champion, 2 with bolt pistols and chainswords, Icon of Excess Rhino with combi-bolter, havok launcher 2x5 marines with 4 bolters and 1 heavy bolter Rhino with combi-bolter, havok launcher 2x5 marines with 4 bolters and 1 heavy bolter Rhino with combi-bolter, 2x combi-bolter 7 marines with 6 bolters and 1 heavy bolter 5 marines with 4 bolters and 1 heavy bolter 5 havoks with 4 missile launchers 5 havoks with 4 missile launchers 5 havoks with 4 lascannons 1500 points exactly. Again 1500 even Thoughts: Chosen, Lord, and Dark Apostle and Lords give me something that can actually do damage in close combat if I need it too, and with the rhino it gives me something to rush forward and grab a relic when required. 3 rhinos to help with target saturation, although each rhino is about the same price as 5 marines and 1 heavy bolter, so I can adjust as recommended. Havoks set up in different places so one assault can't keep all of them from firing for the turn. Alternatives: Swap the apostle for a sorcerer. I really want some psychic power if I can swing it; however I would need to free up about 40 points. So the squad of 7 marines would go down to 5 and the chosen would probably have to go down to 6 or 7. I would probably keep the sorcerer with the Havocs to cast prescience on them and to act as a close combat deterrent. For this game I think a second chaos Lord is a better choice than either an apostle or a sorcerer. The lord has better stats than either the apostle or the sorcerer, and every unit within 6" gets to re-roll 1's to hit, always. The apostle only gives this out during close combat, and the sorcerer has to make a psychic test of 7 to give it to 1 unit once per turn (granted at 18" range). A second lord is quite a bit less expensive than a sorcerer as well, and only a couple points more than the apostle. Depending on the game I may split the 2x5 squads and leave 5 back with a Havok squad to keep things from deep striking near them. Edited August 11, 2017 by micahwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) It might be worth it to chuck the apostle in favor of a sorcerer. Your list is very shooting oriented, and an apostle buffing a bunch of bolter guys or havocs with missile launchers probably won't be that stellar. Mortal wounds via smite can be very useful, as is having a chance at denying the witch. You don't need crushing superiority in the psychic phase, but having the capability to influence it is important. Edited August 11, 2017 by Azekai micahwc 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) 1 Lord, 1 sorcerer 8 plasma/combi-plasma chosen 25 marines, 5 heavy bolters 15 havoks, 8 missile, 4 lascannons 3 rhinos with no upgrades 1499 Sorcerer casts prescience on the chosen so they can overcharge, Lord hangs out with the lascannon team to buff their shooting and discourage close encounters. Edited August 11, 2017 by micahwc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Hmmm... what is the plan for the rhinos? I don't dislike them, not exactly, since they can be useful for blocking both LoS and assaults; but a big use of rhinos is getting things like 'zerkers and smashy characters into close combat, and you seem to want to sit back and shoot with this list. There is some amusing things you could do with your plasma squad and characters, but I am concerned that if they go in hot-dogging it, they might get torn apart.I guess you could always hold the plasma in reserve to use against deepstriking threats. If you need to go on the offensive (like against Tau or Guard who may be a challenge to straight-up outshoot), you could throw the chosen out there and anything that looks like it might hit them back you charge with the rhinos. Then the enemy has to fall back and can't shoot or attack your chosen, and if you clump up your rhinos you might even be able to deny LoS on them. micahwc 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Rhinos are for the third round. Round 1: Retrieval, Dawn of War deployment. 4 objectives to take and I get to place 2 of them. If I place my two as closely as possible it may be possible (terrain dependent) to set up a firebase that covers both of them well; in which case I just need to get first blood and match on slay the warlord and/or breakthrough. Rhinos may be helpful to get to objectives here, or just to block LOS to things, or get breakthrough if they are still alive at the end. Round 2: Secure and Control, Frontline Assault deployment Basically the same as above but only one objective on each side. Shouldn't be a problem to set up a firebase and if I go first I am fairly confident I can get first blood by shooting at the weakest thing on the opponents table side. Rhinos here are mostly a distraction, LOS blocker, and attempt to get line breaker. Round 3: Relic, Search and Destroy deployment The chosen, Lord, and sorcerer start in a rhino 9" away from the relic. 20 marines start in rhinos as close as possible to the relic. All three rush just past the relic and disembark. Sorcerer grabs the relic and runs, and then warptimes during the psychic phase to run more. Havoks provide cover and somewhere for him to run to. Lord, chosen, 20 marines, and 3 rhinos perform Operation Doorstop. Azekai 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Cool, sounds like you have done your homework as far as missions are concerned! Are you confident about getting first turn? You have a fair few squads but part of that can be mitigated during setup by sticking things in rhinos, including characters, I'd imagine. Taking a sorc with Warptime sounds like a very solid way to win 'seize the Relic' style missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 No idea. I'll try to sieze and use a command point if I have too, but it's kind of uncertain. Good news; the ePub version of the new codex is available tomorrow according to warhamerdigital.com, so I will be using the new codex. I don't think it will change a lot of my list but it will give me some better powers to choose from, strategems to choose from, and relics. Sweet. Also a -1 to hit my Alpha Legion Havoks, who will be able to use the strategem to shoot twice a turn. Azekai 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Alpha Legion trickery should do wonders for keeping your backline alive- just in the nick of time too.... funny how that works out. Hydra Dominatus!Is a counts-as Arkos the Faithless worth having (or is FW even tourney sanctioned)? He gives extra command points, which seems very enticing for things like relics, infiltration, or more shooting for the plasma. micahwc 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Forgeworld is explicitly allowed. I'm thinking now that I can probably remove a rhino from my list. I can strategem infiltrate the chosen and light up a target with 6 rapid fire plasma guns first turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Never even saw Arkos. He's really cheap for what he brings. I have a Tycho model that needs a conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Okay. I think I'm going to drop the rhinos in favor of more marines, as I have some ideas. Forward infiltrate the chosen with the Alpha Legion stratagem, place chosen 9.1 inches away from target before game starts. Turn 1, move closer, Endless Cacophony Slanesh stratagem to fire twice. 6 plasma guns rapid fire into target twice for 24 plasma shots. Veteran's of the Long War stratagem for +1 to wound rolls. It cost like 4 command points but it will do a lot of damage first shooting phase, and then the chosen can charge. New list. 2 Detachments. 8 command points Detachment 1: Spearhead detachment, +1 command point Lord Arkos, +1 command point 8 chosen as above 15 Havoks as above Detachment 2: Battalion detachment Sorcerer as above Lord as above 6x 5 marines as above I'm kind of tempted to make the second detachment World Eaters instead of Alpha Legion for the chapter tactic of +1 attack to all infantry. All my basic marines would be twice as good in close combat. Problem is I wouldn't feel right taking a World Eater's sorcerer (although I think it is technically legal), so I'd have to look into swapping it out for a second Lord. Got rid of the rhinos for more bodies, as Lord Arkos can infiltrate and the Alpha Legion stratagem to forward infiltrate units will be good. I may actually do 3x10 marines instead of 6x5 so I'll get more models for the price of one stratagem if I infiltrate them. Alpha Legion warlord trait means I can throw Arkos at anything really hard without worrying about slay the warlord. His sword is ridiculous for 0 points, and is one of the few 3 damage melee weapons available to Chaos. Round 1 and 2 I'll hold my objectives and try to get first blood and slay the warlord. I wont have to worry about losing my warlord as I will likely be tabled if they go through all 13 characters in my army. Round 3 I will infiltrate Arkos on the relic, and spend 5 command points to put 20 marines and 8 chosen up front with him. He grabs relic and runs, sorcerer warp times him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Just got done cutting flash off of 24 snap fit marines. Brought them to work with me and killed some time. Got them all assembled as well. Will try to base coat them tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Bruinen Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Okay. I think I'm going to drop the rhinos in favor of more marines, as I have some ideas. Forward infiltrate the chosen with the Alpha Legion stratagem, place chosen 9.1 inches away from target before game starts. Turn 1, move closer, Endless Cacophony Slanesh stratagem to fire twice. 6 plasma guns rapid fire into target twice for 24 plasma shots. Veteran's of the Long War stratagem for +1 to wound rolls. It cost like 4 command points but it will do a lot of damage first shooting phase, and then the chosen can charge. New list. 2 Detachments. 8 command points Detachment 1: Spearhead detachment, +1 command point Lord Arkos, +1 command point 8 chosen as above 15 Havoks as above Detachment 2: Battalion detachment Sorcerer as above Lord as above 6x 5 marines as above I'm kind of tempted to make the second detachment World Eaters instead of Alpha Legion for the chapter tactic of +1 attack to all infantry. All my basic marines would be twice as good in close combat. Problem is I wouldn't feel right taking a World Eater's sorcerer (although I think it is technically legal), so I'd have to look into swapping it out for a second Lord. Got rid of the rhinos for more bodies, as Lord Arkos can infiltrate and the Alpha Legion stratagem to forward infiltrate units will be good. I may actually do 3x10 marines instead of 6x5 so I'll get more models for the price of one stratagem if I infiltrate them. Alpha Legion warlord trait means I can throw Arkos at anything really hard without worrying about slay the warlord. His sword is ridiculous for 0 points, and is one of the few 3 damage melee weapons available to Chaos. Round 1 and 2 I'll hold my objectives and try to get first blood and slay the warlord. I wont have to worry about losing my warlord as I will likely be tabled if they go through all 13 characters in my army. Round 3 I will infiltrate Arkos on the relic, and spend 5 command points to put 20 marines and 8 chosen up front with him. He grabs relic and runs, sorcerer warp times him. Is it worth trying to find the points for a fourth HQ? That way you can split your six CSM squads across two battalion detachments instead of a spearhead and a battalion, and net yourself an extra 2CPs micahwc 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Is it worth trying to find the points for a fourth HQ? That way you can split your six CSM squads across two battalion detachments instead of a spearhead and a battalion, and net yourself an extra 2CPs Just grab a single Malefic Lord... 35 points of psychic horror for the enemies of the Chaos Gods! Not hard to proxy either, any suitably ragged psyker without power armor will do. micahwc 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 12, 2017 Author Share Posted August 12, 2017 Problem is everything in the detachment has be Alpha Legion for the detachment to get the chapter tactic. So 15 marines would be missing the -1 to hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 12, 2017 Author Share Posted August 12, 2017 Ignore the paint, as I haven't repainted yet; but I present Lord Arkos: http://i.imgur.com/cSmxHZ1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/XMHDRdM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MBimytI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/dQKKy5j.jpg http://i.imgur.com/HFGrFpG.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 13, 2017 Author Share Posted August 13, 2017 Hydra Dominatus! http://imgur.com/IoZWnPm http://i.imgur.com/03tutOz.jpg And Lord Arkos, the Faithless http://i.imgur.com/QYiIjUI.jpg Commissar K. 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 Added some silver to these guys http://i.imgur.com/S0ZB8BQ.jpg And a pic of my table http://i.imgur.com/CPN1EJM.jpg Azekai 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 Dirty tricks for my upcoming tournament. Take one unit of lascannon Havoks, give them the mark of Slanesh. Take one sorcerer with the mark of Nurgle and the psychic powers Prescience, and Misasma of pestilence. Cast Misasma of pestilence and prescience on the Havoks. Use 2 command points for Endless Cacophony, and 1 command point for Veterans of the Long War on the Havoks. Havoks now add 1 to all their wounds and 1s to all their hits and they fire twice this turn. Anything shooting at them has a -1 to hit from Miasma of pestilence, a -1 to hit if they are over 12" away from them being Alpha Legion, and a further -1 to hit if they are in cover. 8 lascannon shots at what amounts to BS 2+ with +1 to wound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahwc Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 Tournament list is as follows: Spearhead detachment, +1 command point Lord Arkos, +1 command Point 9 chosen, 5 plasma, 1 combi-plasma, 3 bolt pistol/chainswords, Mark of Slanesh, Icon of Excess 5 havoks, 4 missile launchers, Mark of Slanesh 5 havoks, 4 missile launchers, Mark of Slanesh 5 havoks, 4 lascannons, Mark of Slanesh Battalion detachment, +3 command points Sorcerer, Plasma pistol, force sword, mark of nurgle. Powers will be Miasma of pestilence and prescience, may be swapped out for warptime via familiar stratagem. Lord, plasma pistol, chainsword, Blade of the Hydra relic, probably going to accompany either the lascannon havoks or the chosen for the rerolls. 30 chaos marines with 6 heavy bolters, either 3x10 or 6x5, not sure what would be better yet. Warlord will be Lord Arkos, with the "I am Alpharius" warlord trait. Trying to decide if I want to break up the heavy bolters into another havoc squad or leave them with the troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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