Seizeman Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I don't think GW is rebooting anything. The basic marine boxes have made them a ridiculous amount of profit, why would they discontinue them? Also replacing everything with primaris would make every trasnport obsolete and I don't think they want that either. I think primaris is a move to revitalise the space marine fanbase and limit in some way the secondary market. Also they are in most ways simplified marines, which is great to attract new young players, specially when most of those players are picking marines anyway. With their lack op options they are very begginer friendly, and they are less models to paint, too. My guess is they are not going to release non-vanilla primaris unless they are a huge success. But even if they do, they don't look very good right now, so I don't see how anyone would be "forced" to buy them instead of regular grey knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 if primaris GK were better then "normal" GK, then you kind of a would be forced. Oblits were always horrible looking models, yet chaos spamed them, because they were the best options, when they stoped being good in 8th, you kind of a stoped seeing them being used. Or to use an imperial examples, dreds didn't changed much in their looks between 4th ed and 8th ed. Yet you did not see normal dreads used outside of GK, in other editions then 4th and now 8th. Same with NDKs with GK now, and dreads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon_77 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Yes but primaris I think is incomplete right now just like everything else. When that New Codex drops and primaris can take different weapons, have transports, and Possibly be points adjusted lower we might see something else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I like primaris marines. They really introduce a sort of "specialist" role. To an already specialist force. I think normal sm's have had there awesomeness overlooked for a while or we've just become to desensitised to their amazingNess that we needed a shake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted July 13, 2017 Author Share Posted July 13, 2017 I like primaris marines. They really introduce a sort of "specialist" role. To an already specialist force. I think normal sm's have had there awesomeness overlooked for a while or we've just become to desensitised to their amazingNess that we needed a shake up. You don't think it's a bit lame that they just sort of popped up out of nowhere to save the day at the last moment? And they just happen to bigger and newer and better than our marines? It feels very Mary Sue to me. It devalues the acts of the current Marines and devalues their actions going forwards. Anything they can do, Primaris can do better. A GK trained Primaris marine will have more potential than a normal GK. I personally hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarn Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I absolutely agree. They should have just made the primaris marines a new armour mark. The consolation is that gk are great at killimg them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 Yep. If they had just kept the scale the same (or at least similar, like with the Deathwatch models) and made it a new mark of armour, even a new founding/re-distribution of assets by Guilliman, I would have been all over it. But making them Marines +1, bigger and better and stronger just really grinds my gears. I certainly won't be buying any Primaris stuff now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Interestingly, the Primaris Dreadnought seems to have slightly better stats than our own unique Dreadknights. Redemptor Dreadnought: M8 WS3+ BS3+ S7 T7 W13 A4 Sv3+. Degrading stats are M(-2) WS(-1) BS(-1), while their DCCW is D6 damage! Haven't fought against Primaris armies yet, but I'd like to send my Dreadknights against these new boys on the block and throw down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everon Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Honestly, I don't think its even close. They are around same cost, or little cheaper then us, but for +1 wound, our weapons still cut through them, and their units at the moment are very 1 dimensional. They don't really function well as a multipurpose unit. Personally, I feel it would be very 1 sided in our favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Who thinks we'll see Primaris Grey Knights in the future? Would you want to see them? Would you buy them if they were released? What if GW retired the current models and the Primaris ones were the only ones readily available? How so you feel having your Grey Knights looking like midgets next to the comically oversized current Primaris models? It will happen. It's a matter of when not if. It's weird that the GK codex is around the corner, so unless they have a secret release going around I assume that the classic GK will stay for a while, same as chaos, since they are the next one. I would probably buy Primaris GK, if they don't change the design completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share Posted July 24, 2017 I think we're safe for this edition. If the models sell well enough I imagine we'll see Primaris GK for our next codex release, whenever that might be. On the one hand, re-starting an army is always a nice way to blow out the cobwebs and you get a chance to set a vastly improved baseline for your painting, but on the other hand replacing 40+ terminators and 30+ PAGK as well as vehicles is not a small project. It's a lot of money and a lot of time spent assembling, converting, painting, basing, magnetising etc to get the force playable. I don't think I'd be upgrading to new GK models, no matter how undersized my models will look by comparison. It helps that the newest Primaris releases have only been so-so. Not at all a fan of the Inceptors, Reivers or new 'Centurion' poses. The Reivers are ok I guess, but nothing to write home about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikthelion Orthos Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Interestingly, all the Grey Knight Power Armoured Infantry sets are "No Longer Available" on the UK Games Workshop Webstore... Edit: Though on reading their current description, they still come with 25mm bases - I suspect this is just a reboxing to 32mm bases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulfast Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 It would be nice of GW to give some information about what is happening to Grey knights. I´m wondering to spend som money for new units at my local shop but right now it seems better to wait. But for how long? Will our codex (and eventuell new troops, if any) come in august or september? If it´s close to release then no harm in telling us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godeskian Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 At this point I'm hesitant to buy more until the codex comes out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted July 27, 2017 Author Share Posted July 27, 2017 At this point I'm hesitant to buy more until the codex comes out I wish I was in a position to buy another 20 right now! I want GK who match my current ones, I'll be extremely sad if they re-sculpt the line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Pretty sure it's a rebox to add the 32mm bases. They are not going to resculpt the line until they make Primaris GK, which will be a long time away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godeskian Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 At this point I'm hesitant to buy more until the codex comes outI wish I was in a position to buy another 20 right now! I want GK who match my current ones, I'll be extremely sad if they re-sculpt the line! I sympathise, however I personally detest the PAGK models. Love the terminators, hate the regular power armour, so while I don't think it'll happen, I'd be thrilled with a power armour resculpt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinomyteeth Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Agreed! Plastic PAGK are horrible but luckily I have dozens of the metal figs which to this day are still beautiful sculpts. Plastic termies on the other hand are super. Fantastic sprues - great dynamic poses. I think some of the best plastics citadel have made, bar the empire soldiers the Perry twins sculpted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godeskian Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Agreed! Plastic PAGK are horrible but luckily I have dozens of the metal figs which to this day are still beautiful sculpts. Plastic termies on the other hand are super. Fantastic sprues - great dynamic poses. I think some of the best plastics citadel have made, bar the empire soldiers the Perry twins sculpted. Ah, you see of my 19 termies/Paladins, 7 are the old metal mini's and I love them, but I agree the plastic ones are pretty awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archon_77 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 That's pretty funny.. I feel literally the exact opposite! I much prefer the old metal terminators, as I find the new ones too blocky and too much like Space Marines, while I like the flexibility of the new PAGK and the fact that they aren't the same three or four sculpts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I've just read that RG and Cawl have given the process of making Primaris Marines to every chapter. With this in mind, there is zero reason, like the idea or not, that the GK shouldn't have them. Our recruitment of psykers is a non issue. We find a new GK candidate, and we use the new Primaris process on this psyker instead of the old organs and black carapace. As evidenced by the Primaris Librarian, being a psyker doesn't effect the process either. I bet we don't get them though. For reasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soder Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Ya I'm hesitant to believe that we'll have access to them. Cause when they announced the release in the FAQ they specifically said that DA, BA and SW would be able to field them but no mention of GK. One would assume that they would have mentioned GKs if that were the case. Also just on the Facebook page right now I saw someone had commented "...wish the grey knights had some primaris marines available" GW response was "you guys have terminators for troops!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Yeah. Reasons... The Primaris creation fluff doesn't support GK not getting them. But as Val's mentioned, GW would have to mould stone pretty bling Primaris to make them look like the Knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I've probably said this a dozen times now across various threads, but here it goes again. There isn't a real lore justification to preclude the GK from getting Primaris. The restriction that is in place right now is simply due to a real-life modeling constraint. They don't have the appropriate models ready to do GK Primaris justice, so they're not going to make them available to us yet. When the models are ready, the rules will follow. V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmablasts Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I've probably said this a dozen times now across various threads, but here it goes again. There isn't a real lore justification to preclude the GK from getting Primaris. The restriction that is in place right now is simply due to a real-life modeling constraint. They don't have the appropriate models ready to do GK Primaris justice, so they're not going to make them available to us yet. When the models are ready, the rules will follow. V Exactly - and I think this is why we're getting our Codex early: because there aren't any new models to release with it. I don't see them coming until at least the next iteration of the Codex. In universe, the delay could readily be explained as "Cawl didn't have access to GK gene-seed until Guilliman was re-awakened". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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