Daimhin Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 This is my first posting on this forum as I'm very new to 30k - I've never actually played a game! Advice and comments on this list would be greatly appreciated. I'm looking for an "all comers" list, but not worried about being overly competitive - just don't want to get tabled every game! Thanks! ++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2999pts] ++ + HQ + Legion Champion [140pts]: Artificer Armour, Combat Shield, Phoenix Spear, Plasma Pistol, Sonic Shrieker . Consul: Legion Champion Legion Praetor [441pts]: Combi-Weapon, Digital Lasers, Grenade Harness, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade, Sonic Shrieker, Tartaros Terminator Armour . Legion Terminator Command Squad: 2x Chainfist, 2x Combi-weapon, Grenade Harness, 3x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Legion Standard Bearer, Pair of Lightning Claws, Plasma Blaster, Tartaros Terminator Armour Master of Signal [150pts]: Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Sonic Shrieker . Consul: Master of Signal + Elites + Palatine Blade Squad [403pts]: 8x Palatine Warrior, 8x Power Sword, Sonic Shriekers . Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod: Frag Assault Launchers . Palatine Prefector: Melta Bombs, Pheonix Spear Phoenix Terminator Squad [290pts]: 4x Phoenix Terminators, Sonic Shriekers . Pheonix Champion: Grenade Harness + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [180pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter Legion Tactical Squad [180pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter Legion Tactical Support Squad [237pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade . Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Meltagun . Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Melta Bombs, Meltagun Legion Tactical Support Squad [237pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade . Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Plasma gun . Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Melta Bombs, Plasma Gun + Fast Attack + Deathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: Drop Pod Assault special rule, Five Deathstorm Krak Launchers Deathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: Drop Pod Assault special rule, Five Deathstorm Krak Launchers + Heavy Support + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [251pts]: Armoured Ceramite, Searchlight . Four wing-mounted:: Hellstrike Missiles . Two Independent Ball Turret-mounted:: Reaper Autocannon Battery Legion Jetbike Sky Slayer Support Squadron [200pts]: Multi-melta, 3x Space Marine Sky Slayers . One Sky Slayer may be upgraded to a Sky Slayer Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Phoenix Spear + Allegiance + Legiones Astartes: III: Emperor's Children, Loyalist Rite of War: Orbital Assault ++ Total: [2999pts] ++ Kizzdougs 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Angel Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Looks pretty solid to me can get rid of AC on the fire raptor, it'seems a bit pointless. but other than that looks good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) This is my first posting on this forum as I'm very new to 30k - I've never actually played a game! Welcome!!! Advice and comments on this list would be greatly appreciated. I'm looking for an "all comers" list, but not worried about being overly competitive - just don't want to get tabled every game! Thanks! ++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2999pts] ++ + HQ + Legion Champion [140pts]: Artificer Armour, Combat Shield, Phoenix Spear, Plasma Pistol, Sonic Shrieker . Consul: Legion Champion A Chaplain would be more competitive, but the Legion Champion is a very fluffy choice For the same cost as the Combat Shield a Boarding Shield is superior. It gives you the same save, but also comes with defensive grenades. The down side is that you can't gain the bonus attack for using two close combat weapons, but because the Phoenix Spear is two handed you weren't getting the bonus attack anyway. From a gaming perspective plasma pistols are massively over-costed. Legion Praetor [441pts]: Combi-Weapon, Digital Lasers, Grenade Harness, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade, Sonic Shrieker, Tartaros Terminator Armour . Legion Terminator Command Squad: 2x Chainfist, 2x Combi-weapon, Grenade Harness, 3x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Legion Standard Bearer, Pair of Lightning Claws, Plasma Blaster, Tartaros Terminator Armour The Praetor is 217pts by himself. That's a lot. For 180pts you could take a Praetor Tribune. You'd miss out on the Combi-weapon, Sonic Shriekers, and the Grenade Harness. He is considerably cheaper and the Command Squad already has a Grenade Harness (so unless you're running the Praetor and the Command Squad separately that's wasted points). This unit will be extremely vulnerable when they Deep Strike in. Master of Signal [150pts]: Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Sonic Shrieker . Consul: Master of Signal Which unit is he joining? + Elites + Palatine Blade Squad [403pts]: 8x Palatine Warrior, 8x Power Sword, Sonic Shriekers . Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod: Frag Assault Launchers . Palatine Prefector: Melta Bombs, Pheonix Spear This unit will be deadly on the charge but is very expensive with all of the Power Swords and lacks AP2 apart from the Prefector. Will the Legion Champion be joining this unit? Phoenix Terminator Squad [290pts]: 4x Phoenix Terminators, Sonic Shriekers . Pheonix Champion: Grenade Harness If these guys are Deep Striking they will be very vulnerable on the turn they come down. + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [180pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter Legion Tactical Squad [180pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter Legion Tactical Support Squad [237pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade . Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Meltagun . Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Melta Bombs, Meltagun Legion Tactical Support Squad [237pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade . Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Plasma gun . Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Melta Bombs, Plasma Gun Additional Combat weapons, artificer armour and melta-bombs might be unnecessary on these two units. They'll come in and do some nice damage the first time they shoot, but the enemy should be able to take care of five marines in their next turn. The points saved might be better spent of the Tactical Squads. + Fast Attack + Deathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: Drop Pod Assault special rule, Five Deathstorm Krak Launchers Deathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: Drop Pod Assault special rule, Five Deathstorm Krak Launchers The points might be better spent on Anvillus Drop Pods for the Command Squad/Praetor and the Phoenix Terminators. + Heavy Support + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [251pts]: Armoured Ceramite, Searchlight . Four wing-mounted:: Hellstrike Missiles . Two Independent Ball Turret-mounted:: Reaper Autocannon Battery A solid choice! Legion Jetbike Sky Slayer Support Squadron [200pts]: Multi-melta, 3x Space Marine Sky Slayers . One Sky Slayer may be upgraded to a Sky Slayer Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Phoenix Spear Another fluffy choice for the Emperor's Children. For 195pts you could take three Javelin Attack Speeders with twin-linked cyclone missile launchers and multi-meltas (plus they are BS5 against ground targets thanks to 'Strafing Run'). + Allegiance + Legiones Astartes: III: Emperor's Children, Loyalist Good to see some more Loyalist Emperor's Chilren (my favourite army). Personally I wouldn't take any Sonic Shriekers or Phoenix Terminators in a Loyalist army for fluff reasons (it's perfectly legal rules wise). The Sonic Shriekers are derived from Chaos/Slaanesh corrupted Xenos biology that has been implanted by Chief Apothecary Fabius (or one of his lackeys). I'm not sure how loyal you can be if you've been surgically implanted willChaos corrupted material. Of course you could say that your warriors don't actually have Sonic Shriekers, and that the rules effect simply represents their supreme skill as duelists/warriors. In regards to the Phoenix Guard there were only ever 200 warriors at any time so it seems unlikely that any would have stayed loyal (they would have been fanatically loyal to the Primarch) and if any did I imagine their brothers/Fulgrim would have dealt with them pretty quickly. These two fluff points are purely down to personal taste. If you want to use Phoenix Guard and Sonic Shriekers then do it! Rite of War: Orbital Assault ++ Total: [2999pts] ++ Looks good bro! I've often considered starting an Emperor's Children Orbital Assault or Angel's Wrath army, so it's great to see someone else starting one. The list seems to have a nice mix of fluff and good units to play with. One thing I'd note is that at 3000pts you should expect to come up against Superheavy Vehicles and Primarchs and I'm not sure if your list has a good counter to those kind of units. Looking forward to seeing how it goes. If you start a paint blog for the army definitely post a link here. I'm always keen to see another IIIrd Legion army Edited July 7, 2017 by Kizzdougs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Firstly can I say thanks for the feedback! It's really appreciated! Please see my notes in blue. + HQ +Legion Champion [140pts]: Artificer Armour, Combat Shield, Phoenix Spear, Plasma Pistol, Sonic Shrieker. Consul: Legion Champion A Chaplain would be more competitive, but the Legion Champion is a very fluffy choice Yeah - pure fluff choice. I'm happy with that. For the same cost as the Combat Shield a Boarding Shield is superior. It gives you the same save, but also comes with defensive grenades. The down side is that you can't gain the bonus attack for using two close combat weapons, but because the Phoenix Spear is two handed you weren't getting the bonus attack anyway. The look doesn't appeal to me. Bulky and defensive, not sleek and elegant. But definitely noted. From a gaming perspective plasma pistols are massively over-costed. I agree, but I like the look. I will see what I can get if I drop all things like this... Legion Praetor [441pts]: Combi-Weapon, Digital Lasers, Grenade Harness, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade, Sonic Shrieker, Tartaros Terminator Armour. Legion Terminator Command Squad: 2x Chainfist, 2x Combi-weapon, Grenade Harness, 3x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Legion Standard Bearer, Pair of Lightning Claws, Plasma Blaster, Tartaros Terminator Armour The Praetor is 217pts by himself. That's a lot. He is, but I don't think there's much I want to cut... For 180pts you could take a Praetor Tribune. You'd miss out on the Combi-weapon, Sonic Shriekers, and the Grenade Harness. He is considerably cheaper and the Command Squad already has a Grenade Harness (so unless you're running the Praetor and the Command Squad separately that's wasted points). This unit will be extremely vulnerable when they Deep Strike in. Noted.Master of Signal [150pts]: Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Sonic Shrieker. Consul: Master of SignalWhich unit is he joining? One of the two Tactical Support Squads, probably the plasma. He's there for an extra Nuncio-vox and can lend them extra BS. + Elites +Palatine Blade Squad [403pts]: 8x Palatine Warrior, 8x Power Sword, Sonic Shriekers. Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod: Frag Assault Launchers. Palatine Prefector: Melta Bombs, Pheonix Spear This unit will be deadly on the charge but is very expensive with all of the Power Swords and lacks AP2 apart from the Prefector. Will the Legion Champion be joining this unit? Yeah, this unit is for the Legion Champion. I know Power Swords really add up, but I don't want these guys stuck in a protracted combat, so anything to help prevent that is welcome. Phoenix Terminator Squad [290pts]: 4x Phoenix Terminators, Sonic Shriekers. Pheonix Champion: Grenade Harness If these guys are Deep Striking they will be very vulnerable on the turn they come down. Yeah... but if he's shooting at these he's not shooting at something else... well, at least that's the theory. Noted.+ Troops +Legion Tactical Squad [180pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox. Legion Tactical Sergeant: BolterLegion Tactical Squad [180pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox. Legion Tactical Sergeant: BolterLegion Tactical Support Squad [237pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines. Additional Wargear: Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade. Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Meltagun. Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Melta Bombs, MeltagunLegion Tactical Support Squad [237pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines. Additional Wargear: Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade. Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Plasma gun. Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Melta Bombs, Plasma GunAdditional Combat weapons, artificer armour and melta-bombs might be unnecessary on these two units. They'll come in and do some nice damage the first time they shoot, but the enemy should be able to take care of five marines in their next turn. The points saved might be better spent of the Tactical Squads. This is one of those places where they started off as "fire-and-forget" squads, but each individual upgrade seems with it, but now they are bloated. I might see what else I can get if I remove all of these. + Fast Attack +Deathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: Drop Pod Assault special rule, Five Deathstorm Krak LaunchersDeathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: Drop Pod Assault special rule, Five Deathstorm Krak Launchers The points might be better spent on Anvillus Drop Pods for the Command Squad/Praetor and the Phoenix Terminators. I quite like the added area denial, but the real reason I have these is that I picked two up for less than the cost of one Anvillus! + Heavy Support +Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [251pts]: Armoured Ceramite, Searchlight. Four wing-mounted:: Hellstrike Missiles. Two Independent Ball Turret-mounted:: Reaper Autocannon Battery A solid choice! Legion Jetbike Sky Slayer Support Squadron [200pts]: Multi-melta, 3x Space Marine Sky Slayers. One Sky Slayer may be upgraded to a Sky Slayer Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Phoenix Spear Another fluffy choice for the Emperor's Children. For 195pts you could take three Javelin Attack Speeders with twin-linked cyclone missile launchers and multi-meltas (plus they are BS5 against ground targets thanks to 'Strafing Run'). I'm not proud to say, but the choice there is down to cost. £76 for 3 bikes vs £57 for one speeder. I will quite probably add speeders at some point (might even spend the points I'm freeing up on one) + Allegiance +Legiones Astartes: III: Emperor's Children, Loyalist Good to see some more Loyalist Emperor's Chilren (my favourite army). Personally I wouldn't take any Sonic Shriekers or Phoenix Terminators in a Loyalist army for fluff reasons (it's perfectly legal rules wise). The Sonic Shriekers are derived from Chaos/Slaanesh corrupted Xenos biology that has been implanted by Chief Apothecary Fabius (or one of his lackeys). I'm not sure how loyal you can be if you've been surgically implanted willChaos corrupted material. Of course you could say that your warriors don't actually have Sonic Shriekers, and that the rules effect simply represents their supreme skill as duelists/warriors. In regards to the Phoenix Guard there were only ever 200 warriors at any time so it seems unlikely that any would have stayed loyal (they would have been fanatically loyal to the Primarch) and if any did I imagine their brothers/Fulgrim would have dealt with them pretty quickly. These two fluff points are purely down to personal taste. If you want to use Phoenix Guard and Sonic Shriekers then do it! Sonic Shriekers are derived from Xenos "tech" but not yet Slaanesh. These are the forerunners to proper sonic weaponry. I like the idea that these guys were going down the path with everyone else, just as loyal and dedicated as the rest of the IIIrd, but when the Heresy happened they have chosen the other side. Had the Heresy happened a few months or a year later, maybe these guys would have chosen differently, or maybe not. But the point is Sonic Shriekers themselves are not "evil", it's just another bio-modification to add to all the others in a Space Marine physiology. Or maybe it's a step on the path to corruption, who knows? Phoenix Guard. Maybe these guys don't believe the rumours that Fulgrim has turned traitor. Maybe they're deployed so remotely, they haven't even heard of the Heresy. Or perhaps they have sworn to avenge the memory of their hero Fulgrim, by slaying the monster he's become. Hell, this whole army could be pre-Heresy! Whatever the case, these miniatures are gorgeous! One thing I want to do with my Loyalist IIIrd is to have them really feel and look like an EC army - just be on the opposite side to one would expect. One thing I'd note is that at 3000pts you should expect to come up against Superheavy Vehicles and Primarchs and I'm not sure if your list has a good counter to those kind of units. This is something I'm very worried about How would you go about dealing with them, without changing the feel of the list? Edited July 7, 2017 by Daimhin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 To add - If I make the cuts discussed above, I can fit a Land Speeder Javelin. Which is nice. However, if I want to, I can drop the Javelin and the Sky Slayers and put my two terminator squads in Dreadclaws. This seems like buying survivability but at a cost of threat and damage output. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Angel Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 Primarchs are difficult as they roll with bodyguards. Superheavies, less so. Try fitting in a Contemptor (the cheaper one with special abilities) with a chainfist, 2 in built grav guns and an anvillus. Pod down, turbo boost to cover. Next turn, hop the contemptor out, rage, shoot the 2 gravs, anything but a 1 takes a hull point. charge, 6 attacks, strength 10 armourbane. should rip a new one in most things... Primarchs and body guard is just down to weight of fire I guess, the plasma support squad should kill a few body guard. Mos has his orb bomb too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted July 7, 2017 Author Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) I can fit one of these in a Dreadclaw instead of the Sky Slayers and Javelin. I might go with one CC and a Khres for more all-round usefulness (in a dreadnaught pod) Edited July 7, 2017 by Daimhin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultramarinebo Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Awesome list man, I agree with everything you've said so far in regards to expensive units such as your praetor. Keep it fluffy and how you want it rather than being purely point efficient. One thing I'd change - i like the area of denial idea on the deathstorms but I reckon you've already got plenty of that with your other drop pods. It's competitive but I'd be swapping them out for two primaris lightning fighters decked out with ground attack auguries and kraken missiles - this will give you that much needed anti super heavies + will help you deal with things that threaten your palatines such as melee dreads. You'll need to fork out extra points so I'd drop the plasma support squad along with some little things like nuncio + vexillia's on the tactical marines. You'll end up with some points to spare I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 Firstly can I say thanks for the feedback! It's really appreciated! Please see my notes in blue. + HQ + Legion Champion [140pts]: Artificer Armour, Combat Shield, Phoenix Spear, Plasma Pistol, Sonic Shrieker . Consul: Legion Champion A Chaplain would be more competitive, but the Legion Champion is a very fluffy choice Yeah - pure fluff choice. I'm happy with that.Excellent! A fluffy choice is a good choice. For the same cost as the Combat Shield a Boarding Shield is superior. It gives you the same save, but also comes with defensive grenades. The down side is that you can't gain the bonus attack for using two close combat weapons, but because the Phoenix Spear is two handed you weren't getting the bonus attack anyway. The look doesn't appeal to me. Bulky and defensive, not sleek and elegant. But definitely noted.I used some Phalanx Warder shields to make a unit of Emperor's Children Breachers. They're still large and bulky, but they're a lot more elegant than the regular boarding shields http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l522/kizzdougs/DSCN4439_zpsckm8fjxr.jpg From a gaming perspective plasma pistols are massively over-costed. I agree, but I like the look. I will see what I can get if I drop all things like this... Legion Praetor [441pts]: Combi-Weapon, Digital Lasers, Grenade Harness, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade, Sonic Shrieker, Tartaros Terminator Armour . Legion Terminator Command Squad: 2x Chainfist, 2x Combi-weapon, Grenade Harness, 3x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Legion Standard Bearer, Pair of Lightning Claws, Plasma Blaster, Tartaros Terminator Armour The Praetor is 217pts by himself. That's a lot. He is, but I don't think there's much I want to cut... Fair enough. If he is going to stay with the Command Squad then at least consider dropping one of the Grenade Harnesses as one will work for both the Praetor and the squad. For 180pts you could take a Praetor Tribune. You'd miss out on the Combi-weapon, Sonic Shriekers, and the Grenade Harness. He is considerably cheaper and the Command Squad already has a Grenade Harness (so unless you're running the Praetor and the Command Squad separately that's wasted points). This unit will be extremely vulnerable when they Deep Strike in. Noted. Master of Signal [150pts]: Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Sonic Shrieker . Consul: Master of Signal Which unit is he joining? One of the two Tactical Support Squads, probably the plasma. He's there for an extra Nuncio-vox and can lend them extra BS. The extra BS will work best for the plasma squad (more shots) but the Nuncio-Vox will work best with the melta squad (because you definitely want the meltas on turn 1 to kill a vehicle, but you might not want the plasmas turn 1 if all of the best targets are in transports etc). + Elites + Palatine Blade Squad [403pts]: 8x Palatine Warrior, 8x Power Sword, Sonic Shriekers . Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod: Frag Assault Launchers . Palatine Prefector: Melta Bombs, Pheonix Spear This unit will be deadly on the charge but is very expensive with all of the Power Swords and lacks AP2 apart from the Prefector. Will the Legion Champion be joining this unit? Yeah, this unit is for the Legion Champion. I know Power Swords really add up, but I don't want these guys stuck in a protracted combat, so anything to help prevent that is welcome. Funnily enough, Palatine Blades are best if they're stuck in combat for two phases. If you assault on your turn and wipe out a squad then they'll be stuck in the open during the enemy's next shooting phase (and they're only T4 W1 with a 3+ save...). If you stay locked in combat during you're assault phase, but manage to break/wipe out the enemy in his combat phase then they'll be free to assault again in your next turn. Phoenix Terminator Squad [290pts]: 4x Phoenix Terminators, Sonic Shriekers . Pheonix Champion: Grenade Harness If these guys are Deep Striking they will be very vulnerable on the turn they come down. Yeah... but if he's shooting at these he's not shooting at something else... well, at least that's the theory. Noted. That's true, but they're not that tough considering they only have the 5++ with their Tartaros armour. In addition to that they can't assault or shoot in the turn that they Deep Strike so the enemy will either be able to assault them in his turn (and if he assaults you with a 2+ save unit you're in trouble because the Phoenix Spears will only be AP3) or move further away out of their assault range while shooting them. + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [180pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter Legion Tactical Squad [180pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter Legion Tactical Support Squad [237pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade . Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Meltagun . Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Melta Bombs, Meltagun Legion Tactical Support Squad [237pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade . Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Plasma gun . Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Melta Bombs, Plasma Gun Additional Combat weapons, artificer armour and melta-bombs might be unnecessary on these two units. They'll come in and do some nice damage the first time they shoot, but the enemy should be able to take care of five marines in their next turn. The points saved might be better spent of the Tactical Squads. This is one of those places where they started off as "fire-and-forget" squads, but each individual upgrade seems with it, but now they are bloated. I might see what else I can get if I remove all of these. If you remove the Artificer Armour, Melta-bomb, and additional combat weapons from the squads and drop a Grenade Harness on either the Praetor or Comand Sqaud you could add an additional marine to each of the support squads. + Fast Attack + Deathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: Drop Pod Assault special rule, Five Deathstorm Krak Launchers Deathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: Drop Pod Assault special rule, Five Deathstorm Krak Launchers The points might be better spent on Anvillus Drop Pods for the Command Squad/Praetor and the Phoenix Terminators. I quite like the added area denial, but the real reason I have these is that I picked two up for less than the cost of one Anvillus! + Heavy Support + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [251pts]: Armoured Ceramite, Searchlight . Four wing-mounted:: Hellstrike Missiles . Two Independent Ball Turret-mounted:: Reaper Autocannon Battery A solid choice! Legion Jetbike Sky Slayer Support Squadron [200pts]: Multi-melta, 3x Space Marine Sky Slayers . One Sky Slayer may be upgraded to a Sky Slayer Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Phoenix Spear Another fluffy choice for the Emperor's Children. For 195pts you could take three Javelin Attack Speeders with twin-linked cyclone missile launchers and multi-meltas (plus they are BS5 against ground targets thanks to 'Strafing Run'). I'm not proud to say, but the choice there is down to cost. £76 for 3 bikes vs £57 for one speeder. I will quite probably add speeders at some point (might even spend the points I'm freeing up on one) + Allegiance + Legiones Astartes: III: Emperor's Children, Loyalist Good to see some more Loyalist Emperor's Chilren (my favourite army). Personally I wouldn't take any Sonic Shriekers or Phoenix Terminators in a Loyalist army for fluff reasons (it's perfectly legal rules wise). The Sonic Shriekers are derived from Chaos/Slaanesh corrupted Xenos biology that has been implanted by Chief Apothecary Fabius (or one of his lackeys). I'm not sure how loyal you can be if you've been surgically implanted willChaos corrupted material. Of course you could say that your warriors don't actually have Sonic Shriekers, and that the rules effect simply represents their supreme skill as duelists/warriors. In regards to the Phoenix Guard there were only ever 200 warriors at any time so it seems unlikely that any would have stayed loyal (they would have been fanatically loyal to the Primarch) and if any did I imagine their brothers/Fulgrim would have dealt with them pretty quickly. These two fluff points are purely down to personal taste. If you want to use Phoenix Guard and Sonic Shriekers then do it! Sonic Shriekers are derived from Xenos "tech" but not yet Slaanesh. These are the forerunners to proper sonic weaponry. I like the idea that these guys were going down the path with everyone else, just as loyal and dedicated as the rest of the IIIrd, but when the Heresy happened they have chosen the other side. Had the Heresy happened a few months or a year later, maybe these guys would have chosen differently, or maybe not. But the point is Sonic Shriekers themselves are not "evil", it's just another bio-modification to add to all the others in a Space Marine physiology. Or maybe it's a step on the path to corruption, who knows? II thought the biological material for the Sonic Shriekers came from the Laer? The Laer were a race of Slaanesh worshipping Xenos... Phoenix Guard. Maybe these guys don't believe the rumours that Fulgrim has turned traitor. Maybe they're deployed so remotely, they haven't even heard of the Heresy. Or perhaps they have sworn to avenge the memory of their hero Fulgrim, by slaying the monster he's become. Hell, this whole army could be pre-Heresy! Whatever the case, these miniatures are gorgeous! One thing I want to do with my Loyalist IIIrd is to have them really feel and look like an EC army - just be on the opposite side to one would expect. Sounds like you want to play 'Traitor' Emperor's Children, but call them Loyalists? One thing I'd note is that at 3000pts you should expect to come up against Superheavy Vehicles and Primarchs and I'm not sure if your list has a good counter to those kind of units. This is something I'm very worried about How would you go about dealing with them, without changing the feel of the list? Leviathan Dreadnoughts and Legion Veteran Tacticals with Combi-meltas and 'Machine Killers' are both good choices for tackling heavy vehicles and Knights. The Leviathan can also do well against many of the Primarchs. Cataphractii Terminators with Chain-fists are also great for tackling vehicles, but of course they need a transport to be effective, and they probably don't really fit your theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted July 8, 2017 Author Share Posted July 8, 2017 Thanks for the input! Mulling it all over now! Kizzdougs 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 Thank you all for the input. This is what I've decided on - ++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [3000pts] ++ Legion and Allegiance: III: Emperor's Children, Loyalist Rite of War: Orbital Assault Legion Praetor [200pts]: Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade, Power Fist, Sonic Shrieker Legion Tactical Support Squad: Meltagun [235pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade . Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for: Meltagun . Legion Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Meltagun, Melta Bombs Master of Signal [140pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Sonic Shrieker . Consul: Master of Signal Legion Tactical Support Squad: Plasma Gun [210pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines . Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for: Plasma gun . Legion Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun Legion Champion [125pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Combat Shield, Phoenix Spear, Sonic Shrieker . Consul: Legion Champion Palatine Blade Squad [413pts]: 8x Palatine Warrior, 2x Pheonix Spear, 6x Power Sword, Sonic Shriekers . Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod: Frag Assault Launchers . Palatine Prefector: Pheonix Spear, Melta Bombs Legion Terminator Squad [366pts]: Tartaros Terminator Armour . Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod: Frag Assault Launchers . Legion Terminator Sergeant: Phoenix Spear, Combi-Plasma . Legion Terminator: Chainfist, Plasma Blaster . Legion Terminator: Chainfist, Combi-Plasma . Legion Terminator: Power Sword, Combi-Plasma . Legion Terminator: Pair of Lightning Claws Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon [410pts]: . Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod . Leviathan Siege Dreadnought: Armoured Ceramite, Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Leviathan Siege Claw, Leviathan Siege Drill, Phosphex Discharger Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [251pts]: Armoured Ceramite, Searchlight . Four wing-mounted: Hellstrike Missiles . Two Independent Ball Turret-mounted: Reaper Autocannon Battery Legion Tactical Squad [180pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter Legion Tactical Squad [180pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla, Nuncio-vox . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter Deathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: Drop Pod Assault special rule, Five Deathstorm Krak Launchers Deathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: Drop Pod Assault special rule, Five Deathstorm Krak Launchers ++ Total: [3000pts] ++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Looks good! I hope you're not planing to run a 200pt Praetor in a 5 man Tactical Support Squad... he needs a bit more protection than that, especially considering that they will be drop-podding right on top of the enemy to make the most of their melta-guns, and then standing around in the open during your opponent's next turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted July 11, 2017 Author Share Posted July 11, 2017 Looks good! I hope you're not planing to run a 200pt Praetor in a 5 man Tactical Support Squad... he needs a bit more protection than that, especially considering that they will be drop-podding right on top of the enemy to make the most of their melta-guns, and then standing around in the open during your opponent's next turn. I was, thinking he would then lead them into combat to prevent them from getting shot! However, I was speaking with a friend and I think actually he'll be joining the Palatine Blades in their pod. I'm also considering the following changes (though costly in terms of ££) - (1) Drop the Master of Signals (plus some points savings) for a squad of Sky Hunters. (2) Drop the Master of Signals (plus some points savings) for a kharybdis for the Leviathan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Looks good! I hope you're not planing to run a 200pt Praetor in a 5 man Tactical Support Squad... he needs a bit more protection than that, especially considering that they will be drop-podding right on top of the enemy to make the most of their melta-guns, and then standing around in the open during your opponent's next turn. I was, thinking he would then lead them into combat to prevent them from getting shot! However, I was speaking with a friend and I think actually he'll be joining the Palatine Blades in their pod. I'm also considering the following changes (though costly in terms of ££) - (1) Drop the Master of Signals (plus some points savings) for a squad of Sky Hunters. (2) Drop the Master of Signals (plus some points savings) for a kharybdis for the Leviathan! Yeah, the Palatine Blades are a much better unit for him! They're still a relatively 'soft' unit, but much better than the support squad. The fact that the Dreadclaw is an assault vehicle means that he should be able reach combat without facing too much shooting, and the larger squad size is a big plus. In the Support Squad he'd be very vulnerable because you can't assault out of a regular Legion Drop Pod, so once the unit lands and shoots its meltas it will be extremely vulnerable to all enemy shooting (and even assault). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted July 11, 2017 Author Share Posted July 11, 2017 Thanks for pointing that out. Really appreciate all your help! What do you think of those 2 options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 The Kharybdis would certainly improve the potency of the Leviathan, but I'd go for the Sky Hunters because you had them in you original list and because they fit the Emperor's Children fluff. However, I would consider giving the Leviathan a shooting weapon such as the Cyclonic Melta-lance to give him a bit more fire-power on the turn he pods in. While the Dreadnought Drop Pod is an 'Assault Vehicle' you still can't assault on the turn that it lands, so a more powerful shooting weapon (the Phosphex Discharger is an excellent weapon, but only against infantry) would help the Leviathan make an impact (excuse the pun) as soon as it lands :tu: Daimhin 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 Legion and Allegiance: III: Emperor's Children, Loyalist Rite of War: Orbital Assault ++ Total: [3000pts] ++ Initial Deployment Vigilator [135pts]: . Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Combat Blade, Melta Bombs, Refractor Field, Sonic Shrieker, Jump Pack Legion Javelin Attack Speeder [75pts] . Multi-melta, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher, 2x Hunter-Killer Missile Drop Pod Assault (Turn One) Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon [410pts]: . Leviathan Siege Claw, Leviathan Siege Drill, Armoured Ceramite, Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Phosphex Discharger Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod Legion Tactical Support Squad [210pts]: . 4x Legion Space Marines . Entire Squad exchange their Flamers for: Meltagun . Legion Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Meltagun Legion Drop Pod Deathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: . Five Deathstorm Krak Launchers . Drop Pod Assault Deathstorm Drop Pod [145pts]: . Five Deathstorm Krak Launchers . Drop Pod Assault Legion Tactical Squad [170pts]: . 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Legion Vexilla . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter Legion Drop Pod Ongoing Reserves Legion Praetor [536pts]: . Tartaros Terminator Armour, Combi-Weapon (Plasma), Mastercrafted Paragon Blade, Digital Lasers, Sonic Shrieker, Iron Halo Legion Terminator Command Squad: 3x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Legion Standard Bearer . Tartaros Terminator Armour . Plasma Blaster, Chainfist . Combi-Weapon (Plasma), Chainfist . Combi-Weapon (Plasma), Power Sword . Pair of Lightning Claws Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod: Frag Assault Launchers Legion Champion [130pts]: . Artificer Armour, Phoenix Spear, Sonic Shrieker, Combat Shield, Melta Bombs Palatine Blade Squad [413pts]: . Sonic Shriekers . Palatine Prefector: Pheonix Spear, Melta Bombs . 8x Palatine Warrior: 2x Pheonix Spear, 6x Power Sword Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod: Frag Assault Launchers Legion Tactical Squad [170pts]: . 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Legion Vexilla . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolter Legion Drop Pod Legion Tactical Support Squad [210pts]: . 4x Legion Space Marines . Entire Squad exchange their Flamers for: Plasma Gun . Legion Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun Legion Drop Pod Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [251pts]: . Four wing-mounted: Hellstrike Missiles . Two Independent Ball Turret-mounted: Reaper Autocannon Battery . Armoured Ceramite, Searchlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 Updated list. Thoughts on how to play this appreciated. ++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [3000pts] ++ + HQ + Legion Champion [130pts]: Artificer Armour, Boarding Shield, Bolt Pistol, None, Phoenix Spear, Sonic Shrieker . Consul: Legion Champion Legion Praetor [491pts]: Combi-Weapon, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, None, Paragon Blade, Sonic Shrieker, Tartaros Terminator Armour . Master of the Legion . . Rite of Command . . . Legion Terminator Command Squad: 2x Chainfist, 2x Combi-weapon, 2x Legion Space Marine Chosen, Legion Standard Bearer, Plasma Blaster, Tartaros Terminator Armour . . . . Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod: Frag Assault Launchers Vigilator [130pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword or Combat Blade, Jump Pack, Melta Bombs, Refractor Field . Consul: Vigilator + Elites + Palatine Blade Squad [418pts]: 8x Palatine Warrior, 3x Phoenix Spear, 5x Power Sword, Sonic Shriekers . Anvillus Pattern Dreadclaw Drop Pod: Frag Assault Launchers . Palatine Prefector: Melta Bombs, Pheonix Spear + Troops + Legion Tactical Squad [195pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs . . Power Weapon: Power Sword Legion Tactical Squad [195pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 9x Legion Tactical Space Marines . Additional Wargear: Bolters, Legion Vexilla . Legion Tactical Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Power Fist Legion Tactical Support Squad Plasma Gun [210pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines . Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Plasma gun . Legion Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun Legion Tactical Support Squad Plasma Gun [210pts]: Legion Drop Pod, 4x Legion Space Marines . Entire Squad may exchange their Flamers for:: Plasma gun . Legion Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Plasma Gun + Fast Attack + Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron [150pts] . Legion Javelin Attack Speeder: 2x Hunter-killer Missile, Multi-melta, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher . Legion Javelin Attack Speeder: 2x Hunter-killer Missile, Multi-melta, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter [230pts]: Battle Servitor Control, Ground-tracking Auguries, 2x Kraken Penetrator Heavy missile + Heavy Support + Legion Fire Raptor Gunship [231pts]: Searchlight . Four wing-mounted:: Hellstrike Missiles . Two Independent Ball Turret-mounted:: Reaper Autocannon Battery Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon [410pts]: Legion Dreadnought Drop Pod . Leviathan Siege Dreadnought: Armoured Ceramite, Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Leviathan Siege Claw, Leviathan Siege Drill, Phosphex Discharger + Allegiance + Legion and Allegiance: III: Emperor's Children, Loyalist Rite of War: Orbital Assault ++ Total: [3000pts] ++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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