ORKILL Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Check the FW FAQ. He is gone as we knew him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 On the bright side, SW now have access to a few vehicles that were Dark Angels + Space Marines only: Specifically: Chaplain Dreadnoughts, Mortis Dreadnoughts, Contemptor, and Contemptor Mortis. (though Space Wolves did have their own version of the Contemptor). RedwaKe 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 Check the FW FAQ. He is gone as we knew him He's not gone! He rules as lord of the Underfang. He's been busy training his great company in a new style of warfare, while learning wisdom from dreadnoughts. ORKILL 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) On the bright side, SW now have access to a few vehicles that were Dark Angels + Space Marines only: Specifically: Chaplain Dreadnoughts, Mortis Dreadnoughts, Contemptor, and Contemptor Mortis. (though Space Wolves did have their own version of the Contemptor). I dont think we have access to any of those. Pg. 130 doesnt list any of them. Edited July 10, 2017 by Caldersson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 The faq specified we can change the keyword of most forgeworld vehicles to space wolf. It is so clearly intended that we do have access that defending the øage 130 argument is a bit silly, especialy since the index lists no forgeworld units at all and the forgeworld index has nonsinilar page to page 130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORKILL Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share Posted July 10, 2017 (edited) Check the FW FAQ. He is gone as we knew himHe's not gone! He rules as lord of the Underfang. He's been busy training his great company in a new style of warfare, while learning wisdom from dreadnoughts. That's why I said "...as we knew him." Edited July 10, 2017 by ORKILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Given Cawl has been fixing the worst of the flaws in geneseed (while leaving idiosyncrasies) and given that the Primaris treatment can be applied to existing Marines - maybe Bran was one of the first to volunteer for treatment, having grown to dislike his monster transformation? That's a way to justify having a generic Primaris Captain be Bran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Given Cawl has been fixing the worst of the flaws in geneseed (while leaving idiosyncrasies) and given that the Primaris treatment can be applied to existing Marines - maybe Bran was one of the first to volunteer for treatment, having grown to dislike his monster transformation? That's a way to justify having a generic Primaris Captain be Bran. The idiosyncrasies were the canis helix. It seems cawl merely put the our geneseed back to its original 30k state. So we probably have wulfen still but maybe not as rampant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 The faq specified we can change the keyword of most forgeworld vehicles to space wolf. It is so clearly intended that we do have access that defending the øage 130 argument is a bit silly, especialy since the index lists no forgeworld units at all and the forgeworld index has nonsinilar page to page 130. I don't normally deal with FW stuff so a little clueless there. So FW has contemptor dreadnoughts, but page 130 does not state we can have contemptor dreadnoughts. So are we allowed contemptors? I am thinking yes since Pg 130 doesn't directly say we can't have it. I really hope our codex clarifies a fwe things without the need for a bunch of FAQ's to reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadnaughty Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Page 130 of the index deals with units in the index itself. It does not deal with Imperial Armour units. Why would you think it does Oo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Because Contemptor is in both the index and the IA, I think. Doubting myself now that it isn't in both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellrender Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 They are different. First of all, never confuse Games Workshop material with Forgeworld material. As a general rule, FW stuff will not be published in GW stuff, and vice versa. As such, if you need to know anything about a GW rule or a FW rule, check the respective books. Second, the Contemptor in the GW Index is a standard Contemptor. In the FW Index there are 2 different contemptors, neither a standard contemptor. There is the Mortis Contemptor and the Relic Contemptor. The way Forgeworld decided to fix what army can take what, is also different from GW. GW has a list of units for certain armies they can take (by changing the <Chapter> keyword to that respective army). Forgeworld instead skips the list entirely, and simply states which units can change their <Chapter> Keywords to what army. As far i read, most if not all non-unique units can become <Space Wolves>. Bloody Legionnaire and Valerian 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 They are different. First of all, never confuse Games Workshop material with Forgeworld material. As a general rule, FW stuff will not be published in GW stuff, and vice versa. As such, if you need to know anything about a GW rule or a FW rule, check the respective books. Second, the Contemptor in the GW Index is a standard Contemptor. In the FW Index there are 2 different contemptors, neither a standard contemptor. There is the Mortis Contemptor and the Relic Contemptor. The way Forgeworld decided to fix what army can take what, is also different from GW. GW has a list of units for certain armies they can take (by changing the <Chapter> keyword to that respective army). Forgeworld instead skips the list entirely, and simply states which units can change their <Chapter> Keywords to what army. As far i read, most if not all non-unique units can become <Space Wolves>. That is less confusing now thank you. Normally I ignore FW stuff because of the Resin, but some of my newly favorite models are from FW, such as the Leviathan Dreadnought. To be able to use it with no problems sounds great. Do they fulfill the same roles like the GW models. Such as Dreadnoughts are a Elite role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 That is less confusing now thank you. Normally I ignore FW stuff because of the Resin, but some of my newly favorite models are from FW, such as the Leviathan Dreadnought. To be able to use it with no problems sounds great. Do they fulfill the same roles like the GW models. Such as Dreadnoughts are a Elite role. Most of the time. Although a few vehicles in the FW index to have strange battlefield roles atm. Several of the relic tanks are elites, rather than the heavy support I'd expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Bran Redmaw is included in the FAQ Basically SM captain with appropriate SW wargear. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/Downloads/40K_8th_ed_Update_Imperial_Armour_Index_Forces_of_the_Adeptus_Astartes_ver_1.0..pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) Isn't it a little premature to be saying "RIP Bran Redmaw" even to say he's "changed?" I am sure many changes will come with the Space Wolves codex that we're not going to get from the index. Edited July 17, 2017 by Big Bad Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Well, it is a heck of a change considering he now no longer becomes the "Red Maw" from which he was named as he did in the IA books. Can only hope this changes when they do another update to IA11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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