Shroud of Night

[Plaguecaster]

Sounds interesting I'll probably pick it up during my monthly visit of a GW which is a few hours away as I'm bound to re read it multiple times regardless as I get bored a lot and just like reading a novel a day plus the prospect of a new series always pleased me as I can binge read the previous titles every time a new one comes out :D

[HeritorA]

I think its highly possible, to me the book comes across as an opening book in a series.

 

I could be wrong, I hope I am right!

What it could go into - is probably a building of lore for th Noctis Aeterna. Maybe I'm wrong but it was intended as a stand-alone novel in the new W41K setting

[civsmitty]

 

 

'Seems to be the first of an Omnibus as far as I can tell' - ahem, what?

 

*Series

 

You think where would be a continuation?

 

 

Left it open at the end. 

 

When the god-worshipping lunatic twin gets picked up by the III Legion, the rest of the Alphas go onboard the Imperial vessel, and (oh yes) we don't see the Faustian bargain fulfilled

Edited August 1, 2017 by civsmitty

[slitth]

I think that depends on how well the characters are received.

 

If they gather a decent fan-base then we will see a series.

If not, they may try with a second book.

 

As far as I have seen the books that sell best are the one that is about a specific time period.

Or about characters that have a decent fan-base like Bloodquest or Garro.

 

But I do not think that the characters in Shroud of Night will gather a big enough fan-base.

They do NOT the have enough depth or they did not generate enough sympathy with their cause for me to ask for another book with them as main cast.

 

Edit: They do NOT the have enough depth or they did not generate enough sympathy

Edited August 4, 2017 by slitth

[HeritorA]

I think that depends on how well the characters are received.

 

If they gather a decent fan-base then we will see a series.

If not, they may try with a second book.

 

As far as I have seen the books that sell best are the one that is about a specific time period.

Or about characters that have a decent fan-base like Bloodquest or Garro.

 

But I do not think that the characters in Shroud of Night will gather a big enough fan-base.

They do the have enough depth or they did not generate enough sympathy with their cause for me to ask for another book with them as main cast.

 

First Clark novel 'Kingsblade' was well received and it is almost 100% approved to have a sequel. But it had a more closure for the end of a story in the novel.

This one so far has a generally positive review - but there are issues with the bolter-porn, worldviews and absolutely open ending/unfulfilled bargain.

And one of the biggest - even through we read it, AL main characters not generated the hype and sympathy as you mentioned - for me to want to read the next book.

[Roomsky]

So are these "modern" 40k stories largely self-contained? Heresy-style over Beast Arises style?

 

If so, I might actually give them a read. Developing 8th ed. into a proper setting in itself is much more appealing to me than presenting it as a linear story.

[HeritorA]

So are these "modern" 40k stories largely self-contained? Heresy-style over Beast Arises style?

 

If so, I might actually give them a read. Developing 8th ed. into a proper setting in itself is much more appealing to me than presenting it as a linear story.

 

So far Dark Imperium and Shroud of Night does not give us the needed view on the Noctis Aeterna period and after (through Haley did tried in his Guilliman centered story - but we have a DI thread for that). It's like a self-contained stories from W40K inserted into the W41K. 

[OPTIMVSCHRISTVS]

Just finished this one- absolutely loved it. Really hope that there will be a sequel.

[TheAlephNull]

I just finished it as well. Read it in a single night and I plan to give it a second, slower read when time allows. I really enjoyed it and highly recommend. It had a really good A-Team vibe to it, and my nostalgia was pleasantly appeased. Bravo, Andy Clark! 

[Extropian]

I enjoyed this. It felt like a slightly less good ADB Night Lords novel....similar type of characters. And by "slightly less good" i mean no disrespect, as those are some of my absolute favourite 40K novels. It just wasn't quite as rich or deep, and the plot was somewhat formulaic.

Overall though definitely a fun and entertaining read, and i would 100% read more of these characters.

[HeritorA]

I just finished it as well. Read it in a single night and I plan to give it a second, slower read when time allows. I really enjoyed it and highly recommend. It had a really good A-Team vibe to it, and my nostalgia was pleasantly appeased. Bravo, Andy Clark! 

True - he tried to do his best, but in all honesty his 'Kingsblade' was a better novel. This one truly suffers from being almost direct bolter porn and in every sentence of the last pages of this story you do feel that book 2 is incoming, lol

[rendingon1+]

Finished. Quite a nice read but not kind of wow nice. Rather satisfactiory. My main issue with this book was:

Khârn.
Was he really necessary? The more I read the more it looked like it's just Khârn butchering imperials single handedly. I understand the concept of plot armour, but almost every scene when Khârn just ignores storm of bolter/las/plasma/falmer/weird weapons that mechanicum have because HE'S Khârn AND WILL NOT DIE, left me with a bad taste. I mean, sure, he's one of estabilished immortal heroes of the setting but I'd expect a little more than this Khârn ex machina.

Big plus for the uthor for avoiding "I am Alpharius" quote and showing that AL can also have personality.

Edited August 12, 2017 by rendingon1+

[Plaguecaster]

^^^^

But he did use that quote ;)

"I am Alpharius" spat Kassar "and I am Death"

The imperial fist charged at him swinging his power sword in a high arc

Kassar shot him three times in the face

Was an awesome if slightly less honourable duel against a Primaris lieutenant :D pg 195 Kassar used the "I am Aplharius a couple of other times as well though no where as awesome as this moment

I just finished reading it and absolutely loved it :) will write a better opinion later as I really like it and plan on rereading it again in a couple of days once I finish a couple of other novels I need to read

Edited August 13, 2017 by Plaguecaster

[rendingon1+]

My brain must have censored it

[HeritorA]

^^^^

But he did use that quote

"I am Alpharius" spat Kassar "and I am Death"

The imperial fist charged at him swinging his power sword in a high arc

Kassar shot him three times in the face

Was an awesome if slightly less honourable duel against a Primaris lieutenant pg 195 Kassar used the "I am Aplharius a couple of other times as well though no where as awesome as this moment

I just finished reading it and absolutely loved it will write a better opinion later as I really like it and plan on rereading it again in a couple of days once I finish a couple of other novels I need to read

 

Again - the fluff is new and they are experimanting on it. But Kassar should have never defeated the Primaris Leitenant in single combat.

It's old SM vs Primaris veteran for Gods sake.

The scene was made purely to show 'how' competent and awesome AL Harrowmaster is

[Plaguecaster]

^^^^^^

Did you actually read it??? The harrow master didn't actually beat him in single combat though did he Kassar couldn't actually overcome the lieutenant one on one since the Primaris had the better advantage so basically cheated just to defeat the Primaris. Besides it wasn't even Kassar who killed the Primaris anyway so it's hardly a fair single combat match anyway ;) it wasn't just to show how awesome the harrow master was (though it did a pretty good job of that anyway :D ) it was to show that the alpha legion doesnt care about honour or fighting fair all that matters is fulfilling their mission

Also to be fair Harrowmaster Kassar is the alpha legion equilvant of a chaos lord so he did at least have a good chance not that he bothered to fight fair any way since he knew the Primaris was the stronger opponent , hell he challenged the Primaris to a duel only to shoot the fool in the head when the lieutenant accepted it and even then it didn't kill the fist that's hardly a fair fight

Edited August 14, 2017 by Plaguecaster

[HeritorA]

^^^^^^

Did you actually read it??? The harrow master didn't actually beat him in single combat though did he Kassar couldn't actually overcome the lieutenant one on one since the Primaris had the better advantage so basically cheated just to defeat the Primaris. Besides it wasn't even Kassar who killed the Primaris anyway so it's hardly a fair single combat match anyway it wasn't just to show how awesome the harrow master was (though it did a pretty good job of that anyway ) it was to show that the alpha legion doesnt care about honour or fighting fair all that matters is fulfilling their mission

Also to be fair Harrowmaster Kassar is the alpha legion equilvant of a chaos lord so he did at least have a good chance not that he bothered to fight fair any way since he knew the Primaris was the stronger opponent , hell he challenged the Primaris to a duel only to shoot the fool in the head when the lieutenant accepted it and even then it didn't kill the fist that's hardly a fair fight

Lol, yes I read it on a day of release, lol.

And you totally misunderstood me - Kassar took his time 'dueling' Leitenant. Primaris should have been able to overpower him more quickly - and Kassar is definitely not th 'chaos' lord - more a captain/Heresy praetor equivalent

[Plaguecaster]

Lets agree to disagree :d we both read it and had different opinions, to me

 

A Chaos lord is basically the chaos version of captain / Heresy Praetor though and the Primaris was only a lieutenant as well for all their perfection Primaris still can be outclassed by more veteran and experienced enemies just look at the "duel" the lieutenant was actually winning in close combat even after being shot in the face 3 times (which is why Primaris probably couldn't overpower kassar so easily) and Kassar couldn't dispatch him easily like other enemies so he played for time so another of his team could get the kill

Seems like true alpha legion shenanigans to me

Edited August 15, 2017 by Plaguecaster

[HeritorA]

Lets agree to disagree we both read it and had different opinions, to me

 

A Chaos lord is basically the chaos version of captain / Heresy Praetor though and the Primaris was only a lieutenant as well for all their perfection Primaris still can be outclassed by more veteran and experienced enemies just look at the "duel" the lieutenant was actually winning in close combat even after being shot in the face 3 times (which is why Primaris probably couldn't overpower kassar so easily) and Kassar couldn't dispatch him easily like other enemies so he played for time so another of his team could get the kill

Seems like true alpha legion shenanigans to me

Haha - indeed, I could say you are more right then I thougt before

[TheAlephNull]

I am just overjoyed to see HH era marines killing Primaris. I'm certainly not adding any Primaris models to my collection, so it was nice to be thrown a bone by an author. A kind of "Yeah man, original marines are still cool!".

[HeritorA]

I am just overjoyed to see HH era marines killing Primaris. I'm certainly not adding any Primaris models to my collection, so it was nice to be thrown a bone by an author. A kind of "Yeah man, original marines are still cool!".

And they are still valid and cando stuff But in scope of a general battlefield wall vs wall - Primaris would win eventually due them being overenchanced in comparison to the old Marines.

[Mellow]

Old Skool Marines days are numbered! The giant clock of doom is tick tocking for them!

[HeritorA]

Old Skool Marines days are numbered! The giant clock of doom is tick tocking for them!

 

lol. The End times is upon us - call the inquisition

 

[Mellow]

I've finally finished reading this one.

 

Nice to see the Imperial Fists being destroyed in a Novel. That's never happened before!

 

Not sure why they kept going on about doing things "for Dorn". He's been dead for millennia!

 

I didn't realise Celestine could be killed only to be reborn somewhere else in the Galaxy.

[Lord Marshal]

It's a shame to see Celestine is now going to suffer from the same problem as the Daemon Primarchs do. She can't permadie, so naturally every other appearance she's going to get skewered to show how 'ard the pet faction of that book is.