Ascanius Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 While I don't have the time to go into my ebooks and try to track down the places where it happens, the corollary to "swayed aside" is a thing that I've noticed from time to time in the series where a sentence will be awkwardly phrased to use a noun or adjective twice in too close proximity. The Deathfire/fiery thing there is sort of close to what I mean, but more like "He was frightened by the frightening tone she used." It is very rare, but it's one of those things that sticks out like a sore thumb to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 While I don't have the time to go into my ebooks and try to track down the places where it happens, the corollary to "swayed aside" is a thing that I've noticed from time to time in the series where a sentence will be awkwardly phrased to use a noun or adjective twice in too close proximity. The Deathfire/fiery thing there is sort of close to what I mean, but more like "He was frightened by the frightening tone she used." It is very rare, but it's one of those things that sticks out like a sore thumb to me. only that - angry marines and 'vulkan lives' are not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Nah. The "Vulkan lives!" thing in Deathfire was actually very interesting because I liked the look at the way religious fervour spread amongst the Astartes of the Pyre - or didn't, in some cases, but people went along with Numeon's plans anyway for various reasons. I just don't have a problem with any of the things people criticise Kyme's work for, I guess. I've enjoyed the storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuvassin Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 I like Kyme and Deathfire, so I'm excited, but I think an issue with the HH overall is that the legions are often depicted one-dimensionally - the Sallies are generally do-gooders, the World Eaters are almost always mindless. ADB's depiction of Lheorvine in his Black Legion series, or even his depiction of Khârn and Argel Tal in Betrayer - where they are still connected to their legion's faults but aren't completely enslaved to them - is something I wish was done more often in the HH series. Early on, there used to be tension between the Terra-born and native-born Astartes in a legion, and then as the series rolled towards Istvaan you had the tension between those seemingly in their traitor primarch's favor and those that seemed destined to be betrayed, but since then it does feel that most of the legions have been left to their most basic or clichéd reputations. Which makes me wonder if that's why people dislike Kyme's Sallies to a degree - it's a bit easier to be generic if the cliché is frothing murderer or degenerate worshipper or embittered and cruel soldier. I thought Kyme actually did a great job in Deathfire in the tension between Numeon's single-minded obsession and those who didn't believe, or who believed but thought he was risking too much regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Nah. The "Vulkan lives!" thing in Deathfire was actually very interesting because I liked the look at the way religious fervour spread amongst the Astartes of the Pyre - or didn't, in some cases, but people went along with Numeon's plans anyway for various reasons. I just don't have a problem with any of the things people criticise Kyme's work for, I guess. I've enjoyed the storyline. wow. Zuvassinthe World Eaters are almost always mindless. - have you read 'Betrayer' by A D-B? 'Which makes me wonder if that's why people dislike Kyme's Sallies to a degree - it's a bit easier to be generic if the cliché is frothing murderer or degenerate worshipper or embittered and cruel soldier. I thought Kyme actually did a great job in Deathfire in the tension between Numeon's single-minded obsession and those who didn't believe, or who believed but thought he was risking too much regardless.' easy: 1) The novels are boring, absolutely blank and bolter-pornish. 2) I thought Kyme actually did a great job in Deathfire in the tension between - in comparison with Wraight, Abnett, A D-B Space Marines? Not even close. Sallies from Kyme - are one dimensional and Mary Sue from the top to bottom. 3) Cause storyline is plainly boring and sometimes plainly 'fantastic' beyond belief even for the grimdark of W30-40K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Zuvassin points out Betrayer right in the next line... I'd wager he read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Zuvassin points out Betrayer right in the next line... I'd wager he read it. Ahh, true - haven't seen it after the Black Legion mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 1) The novels are boring, absolutely blank and bolter-pornish.2) I thought Kyme actually did a great job in Deathfire in the tension between - in comparison with Wraight, Abnett, A D-B Space Marines? Not even close. Sallies from Kyme - are one dimensional and Mary Sue from the top to bottom. 3) Cause storyline is plainly boring and sometimes plainly 'fantastic' beyond belief even for the grimdark of W30-40K? are you not a fan of nick kyme? you should have said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 1) The novels are boring, absolutely blank and bolter-pornish.2) I thought Kyme actually did a great job in Deathfire in the tension between - in comparison with Wraight, Abnett, A D-B Space Marines? Not even close. Sallies from Kyme - are one dimensional and Mary Sue from the top to bottom. 3) Cause storyline is plainly boring and sometimes plainly 'fantastic' beyond belief even for the grimdark of W30-40K? are you not a fan of nick kyme? you should have said Figured, right ;) But tell me - that it's not the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I don't agree Kyme's novels are "bolter-pornish", or at least they're not the worst offenders. But the thing is, for those readers who only care about books which "progress the storyline" through the big battles to Terra, of course they're not interesting. But I like the Imperium Secundus storyline, I prefer books that delve into the personalities of Legionaries and the character of a Legion, and while Kyme is never going to dethrone Abnett as a stylist, French for twisty narratives, or AD-B for evocation of the setting, I think he's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I don't agree Kyme's novels are "bolter-pornish", or at least they're not the worst offenders. But the thing is, for those readers who only care about books which "progress the storyline" through the big battles to Terra, of course they're not interesting. But I like the Imperium Secundus storyline, I prefer books that delve into the personalities of Legionaries and the character of a Legion, and while Kyme is never going to dethrone Abnett as a stylist, French for twisty narratives, or AD-B for evocation of the setting, I think he's fine. We all have our humble opinions. For me the problem with Kyme is that he have a very blank, boring style and prose. And he was given one of the least interesting sidelines of the HH (that's why they added Shattered Legions and Meduson vs Marr duel culmination into it - cause there is nothing to tell about Sallies line) . It's good that it will end at last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Dramatis Persona posted by Black Librarium. Novel goes up for pre-order next week. Cast of characters looks impressive. Someone help me out and tell me what on Earth a "Shade Stalker of the Shadowed Path" might be? https://twitter.com/blacklibrarium/status/931573907789959169 Edit: Apparently a Mandrake champion, nicknamed The Decapitator. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Hmm. If this is where Tybalt Marr's/Shadrak Meduson's story ends, I hope it gets handled well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 So the Cabal will have representation? Interesting. Perhaps they will be informing Vulkan of his destiny to appear in other Novels and that he shouldn’t worry too much about this whole HH thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted November 19, 2017 Author Share Posted November 19, 2017 should get my copy on tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Hmm. If this is where Tybalt Marr's/Shadrak Meduson's story ends, I hope it gets handled well. Apparently that is resolved here, as per earlier comments. Novel seems to have quite a few balls up in the air going by that dramatis personae, and of course it is interesting that this is unexplored territory for us, we don't really know what is going to happen here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izlude Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 This potentially has the makings of a strong book: 1. Meduson and Marr rivalry: My personal favorite 2 Narak-I actually like Narak alot and of course his big sniper rifle 3. The perpetual stuff 4. Finale for Vulkan? I forget if they play a large role in the seige I have enjoyed his shorts and liked Vulkan lives. The only book I was not a fan of was Deathfire (cool cover aside) was little painful to read (Really was the “Vulken lives!” Ad naseum and the assualting of a homeworld with A ship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 100 pages in. so far, so good plot advancing towards terra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 It's out already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 It's out already? pre release at BL weekender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Yeah, I saw this on one of RobMacs pictures. One day, I'll come over to you and participate. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Spoilers, I beg you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 Spoilers, I beg you! Vulkan is alive!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 There's also an extract up on BL, for any who weren't able to nab a copy at the weekender. Seems a certain pointy-eared gent is up to something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Spoilers, I beg you! Vulkan is alive!! This ranks up there with "You wanna live? Come on!" from Terminator 3 in terms of missed-opportunity misquotes. Vulkan lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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