Geoffy Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Hey guys, Trying to make a nasty 1k emp children list that I plan on keeping at this level. Tell me what you think. EC Legiones Astartes Lord Commander Eidolon: Rite of War (3rd Company Elite); jump pack 205 10 Kakophoni Chora: Orchestrator; 9 Kakophoni Chora 245 10 Kakophoni Chora: Orchestrator; 9 Kakophoni Chora 245 7 Palatine Warriors: Palatine Prefector (Phoenix power spear; melta bombs); 6 Palatine Warriors; 3 × Phoenix power spear; sonic shriekers; jump packs 304 999 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted August 19, 2017 Share Posted August 19, 2017 (edited) not sure how 'nasty this is but looks fun. Scorpious and medusa will ruin your day though lack of ap2 will struggle against termies along with no anti tank Edited August 19, 2017 by Fangbanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 not sure how 'nasty this is but looks fun. Scorpious and medusa will ruin your day though lack of ap2 will struggle against termies along with no anti tank If I see scorpii and medusae I'll just have to try and close the gap I suppose. There is plenty of ap 2 from eidolons hammer and the Phoenix spears as well. Anti tank is meltabombs and thunder hammer and is admittedly light. I'm not expecting to see a crap ton of high av stuff at 1000 either but could certainly struggle if I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okonomiyakimarine Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) i do not have my math-hammer with me and cannot say it it is more optimal than wha you have, but you could look at a 10-man assault squad. With all(!) Melta Bombs and Combat Shields, sergeant with Artificer and Phoenix Spear. Depending on how you and your group play MBs it could make sense as a bit more AA. Also it should provide a higher survival rate, if some barrage weapon hits. It is 3 extra bodies after all.... and also the squad scores. (edit:typos/readability) Edited August 23, 2017 by okonomiyakimarine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 i do jot have my math hammer with me and cannot say it it is more optimal, but you could look at a 10-man assault squad with all(!) Melta Bombs and Combat Shields, sergeant with Artificer and Phoenix Spear. It is 3 extra bodies after all. Depending on how you and your group play MBs it could make sense as a bit more AA. Also it should provide higher survival rate if some barrage weapon hits and also the squad scores... This is potentially true...but the rule of cool wins here because palatine blades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 Okay. Here's my 2500 progression. What you guys think? EC copy Legiones Astartes Lord Commander Eidolon: jump pack 205 10 Kakophoni Chora: Orchestrator; 9 Kakophoni Chora 245 10 Kakophoni Chora: Orchestrator; 9 Kakophoni Chora 245 10 Palatine Warriors: Palatine Prefector (Phoenix power spear; melta bombs); 9 Palatine Warriors; 5 × Phoenix power spear; sonic shriekers; jump packs 420 Rylanor the Unyielding 255 7 Phoenix Terminators: Phoenix Champion; 6 Phoenix Terminators; sonic shriekers 360 Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron • Javelin Attack Speeder: pintle-mounted multi-melta; hull-mounted twin-linked lascannon 75 • Javelin Attack Speeder: pintle-mounted multi-melta; hull-mounted twin-linked lascannon 75 Kharybdis Assault Claw 235 Fulgrim the Illuminator: Rite of War (3rd Company Elite); Fireblade 380 2,495 points Plan is eidolon runs with blades for elite target hunting. Fulgrim takes paladin of glory and runs with termies close to rylanor for +4 to combat res and I win draws. Kakophoni sit on objectives and outshoot everything. Kharybdis flys around and burns stuff. The only thing I'm not super stuck on is the javelins, but I think I need some anti armor. What you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 You can't take Rylanor in a traitor army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okonomiyakimarine Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Phoenix Terminators are not super fluffy with Eidolon, but since you also bring Fulgrim that is alright. As if they ever fought together when the noise marines were around, but hey I guess that is fine. Javelins are quite good, you could rather bring more or some real AT. I like them for the model, the fluff and they are fun to use. Depending on your meta take two or three. You could also add two tank hunting las destroyer Vindis or the well-liked Sicaran Venator? Do you like the Rapier models (3x graviton)? It is just really depending on what models or play style you prefer and how your meta is like. I am not sure if you use the Kharybdis to deploy the termies? You wrote you run them... I would not ever run termies unless i deep strike them somehow (TS Termies). Especially the EC Termies are sub-par unless charged out of an assault vehicle (shooting? haha!) I would suggest to look out for assault vehicles or fliers for the termies or just leave them out (as well as fulgrim) and add some real AA and AT, e.g. a lightning strike fighter with an AT setup and deredeo to clean up the skies for 500pts all beefed up. if you do not like tanks, these two right be interesting for you. Rylanor is a no go with Traitors of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 Phoenix Terminators are not super fluffy with Eidolon, but since you also bring Fulgrim that is alright. As if they ever fought together when the noise marines were around, but hey I guess that is fine. Javelins are quite good, you could rather bring more or some real AT. I like them for the model, the fluff and they are fun to use. Depending on your meta take two or three. You could also add two tank hunting las destroyer Vindis or the well-liked Sicaran Venator? Do you like the Rapier models (3x graviton)? It is just really depending on what models or play style you prefer and how your meta is like. I am not sure if you use the Kharybdis to deploy the termies? You wrote you run them... I would not ever run termies unless i deep strike them somehow (TS Termies). Especially the EC Termies are sub-par unless charged out of an assault vehicle (shooting? haha!) I would suggest to look out for assault vehicles or fliers for the termies or just leave them out (as well as fulgrim) and add some real AA and AT, e.g. a lightning strike fighter with an AT setup and deredeo to clean up the skies for 500pts all beefed up. if you do not like tanks, these two right be interesting for you. Rylanor is a no go with Traitors of course. Thanks for the feedback! I am putting the termies with fulgrim in the kharybdis of course. Having to drop rylanor will give me some points for sure. Maybe I'll grab some laser vindis or a venator. I'm not a huge fan of rapiers but I guess they could sit back and chill with the noise marines. I also like the javelins for their outflanking and AT threat. Stinks I can't take rylanor but I'll still have +3 to combat res and win draws if I take paladin of glory. Or maybe child of terra for reroll to 1's for that entire squad would be pretty scary. Serisously, who would play loyalist EC?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 EC copy Legiones Astartes Lord Commander Eidolon: jump pack 205 10 Kakophoni Chora: Orchestrator; 9 Kakophoni Chora 245 10 Kakophoni Chora: Orchestrator; 9 Kakophoni Chora 245 10 Palatine Warriors: Palatine Prefector (Phoenix power spear; melta bombs); 9 Palatine Warriors; 5 × Phoenix power spear; sonic shriekers; jump packs 420 7 Phoenix Terminators: Phoenix Champion; 6 Phoenix Terminators; sonic shriekers 360 Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron • Javelin Attack Speeder: hull-mounted twin-linked lascannon 65 • Javelin Attack Speeder: hull-mounted twin-linked lascannon 65 Kharybdis Assault Claw 235 Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron • Vindicator: hull-mounted laser destroyer array; dozer blade 135 • Vindicator: hull-mounted laser destroyer array; dozer blade 135 Fulgrim the Illuminator: Rite of War (3rd Company Elite); Fireblade 380 2,490 points Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Serisously, who would play loyalist EC?? Me! Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron • Javelin Attack Speeder: hull-mounted twin-linked lascannon 65 • Javelin Attack Speeder: hull-mounted twin-linked lascannon 65 Thoughts? Statistically the missile launchers are better than the lascannons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) Serisously, who would play loyalist EC?? Quite a few people. Of all the Traitor Legions I think the Emperor's Children are most often shown as Loyalists. If you have a look at the many EC armies across the various forums online, quite a few of them are Loyalist armies. My Emperor's Children are Loyalists, and I'm planing to start a new Loyalist EC army in a few months time. Edit: Just a few of the Loyalist armies out there :) Grieux's EC. RayGun924's EC. Rawkdoc's EC Deus Mortis' EC. My own EC. LCE's EC are a mix of Loyalist and Traitors. Edited August 30, 2017 by Kizzdougs Caillum 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted August 30, 2017 Author Share Posted August 30, 2017 Serisously, who would play loyalist EC?? Quite a few people. Of all the Traitor Legions I think the Emperor's Children are most often shown as Loyalists. If you have a look at the many EC armies across the various forums online, quite a few of them are Loyalist armies. My Emperor's Children are Loyalists, and I'm planing to start a new Loyalist EC army in a few months time. Edit: Just a few of the Loyalist armies out there :) Grieux's EC. RayGun924's EC. Rawkdoc's EC Deus Mortis' EC. My own EC. LCE's EC are a mix of Loyalist and Traitors. Wow, I stand corrected. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Wow, I stand corrected. Thank you. No worries, bro :tu: Loyalist Emperor's Children are pretty handicapped by the rules, and they definitely aren't the most competitive army, but a lot of people love their pre-Heresy fluff and aesthetic regardless of the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share Posted August 31, 2017 Wow, I stand corrected. Thank you. No worries, bro :tu: Loyalist Emperor's Children are pretty handicapped by the rules, and they definitely aren't the most competitive army, but a lot of people love their pre-Heresy fluff and aesthetic regardless of the rules. I love the aesthetic too but I gotta have the cool rules and models like eidolon and fulgrim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted September 2, 2017 Author Share Posted September 2, 2017 So lemme ask you guys. Would you keep the two laser destroyer vindis or drop for one sicaran arcus tank? I feel like the above list is light on AA but I'm not sure how much you all think that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 I'm thinking of dropping the vindis now for a primaris loaded for bear (max kraken missiles) and an apothecary with each kakophoni squad. Yay or nay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I'm thinking of dropping the vindis now for a primaris loaded for bear (max kraken missiles) and an apothecary with each kakophoni squad. Yay or nay? I would do that - but mostly because I think the Lightning is more EC than Vindicators, even LD ones. Sicaran is a good call as well though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffy Posted September 13, 2017 Author Share Posted September 13, 2017 I'm thinking of dropping the vindis now for a primaris loaded for bear (max kraken missiles) and an apothecary with each kakophoni squad. Yay or nay? I would do that - but mostly because I think the Lightning is more EC than Vindicators, even LD ones. Sicaran is a good call as well though. Thanks for the response! Which do you feel better completes the list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimhin Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Given that you have no other armour on the ground I would go with the Lightning as a Sicaran on its own is likely to be taken out straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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