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How to incorporate Primaris Marines into Space Wolves

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Greetings all. I know there’s a thread called “The Primaris Space Marines (“Primaris SM”) and Space Wolves” but after going through half of its pages, I think the thread is mostly about how Primaris SM fit from a fluff perspective into Space Wolves once introduced. I don’t want to get into that, but after a couple of months into 8th edition and the introduction of the so called “new marines” as we were calling Primaris then, I’m beginning to admit that they’re growing on me. They won’t ever make me abandon my original Space Wolves and go full bandwagon Primaris, but I now want to make the effort to incorporate some of them into my army.

 

In other words, let’s start with how to fit the crunch of the Primaris SM with the Vlka Fenryka. Answer isn’t so clear cut when even among Space Wolves we have so many different varied styles. But I want to give the Primaris SM a go and would like to share my plans and have your feedback on my ideas.

 

So far, I’ve bought a box of Reivers as well as Inceptors. In line with my play style, my troops have the main job of holding the line, grabbing objectives and if necessary, deliver the necessary punch to KO my opponent. Everthing else in my list is to support my troops, be they the Wulfen, the Terminators, the Long Fangs or the Stormwolf/fangs.

 

The Reivers I bought because they looked exceptionally fearsome, and because they’re one of the few Primaris marines who can get around the table without needing the bastard child of a Land Raider and Land Speeder via their grab chutes or grapnel for a measly 4 ppm. A bit pricy but they do have power armour and 2 wounds compared to Wolf Scouts who have 1 wound and 4+.

 

So I’m going to use Reivers to replace my terminators as backline harrassers. Specfically targeting the Ruin Campers who stay on the top floors. If I’m not mistaken, with the grapple hooks, I can deepstrike 9” away vertically from the tall ruin, then completely ignore the 6” height it when I charge. If I do my trigonometry correctly, I’ll only need 5 inches to charge the cover campers.

Thus tying up the enemy heavy support for a turn.

 

Meanwhile, my Inceptors will combine with my Stormwolf filled with Wulfen to get in the face Turn 1 and 2, aiming for their other big guns or elite units in a storm of plasma and claws. Troops as always, hold the midfield supporting and softening up everything for the elite troops.

 

Preliminary 2000 list:

 

Njal Stormcaller in termie armour

Wolf Lord/Battle leader with Jump Pack

5-6 Wulfen with TH/SS and axes

Stormwolf with heavy bolters

3 squads of GH/BC in Assault Cannon razorbacks

2 squads of 5 Reivers with big bolt pistol and CCW

2 squads of Long Fangs with missiles and Las.

Autocannon Predator tank

Inceptors squad with Plasma extermmintaros

 

Thoughts? Or rather how have you all been using your Primaris?

 

Next primaris I’ll get is most likely the Redemptor Dreadnought, but I don’t like the idea of it stealing the limelight away from Bjorn.


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"All the Legions Astartes have reputations," replied Hawser.
"Not like ours," said Ogvai "We are known for our ferocity. We are thought to be feral and undisciplined. Even brother Legions consider us to be wild and bestial."
"And you're not ?" asked Hawser.
"If we need to be," said Ogvai. "but if that was our natural state, we'd all be dead by now."
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"It takes a vast amount of self control to be this dangerous" he said.

 

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I quite like the idea as painting up Reivers as sort of super-scouts, they fit very well in that role.

 

I have to admit that I am not taken with Inceptors. While their speed and firepower is decent, they are incredibly fragile. 180 points for 6 T5 wounds will not last long. Perhaps I haven't practised with them enough but they look like an easy kill to me.

 

I really do like my Helllblasters though, particularly if I am taking Bjorn anyway. They walk up the field with him to benefit from his reroll bubble while overcharging their plasma incinerators. Their firepower is impressive and at <15" range they can gun down a Dreadnought (or equivalent) in a single volley.

 

The Redemptor looks pretty but I cannot decide on a role for it. The Macro plasma cannon is threatened by high variance in its output. The Dakka version is very solid but you already have 3 TAC Razorbacks to meet your horde-clearance needs.


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I quite like the idea as painting up Reivers as sort of super-scouts, they fit very well in that role.

 

I have to admit that I am not taken with Inceptors. While their speed and firepower is decent, they are incredibly fragile. 180 points for 6 T5 wounds will not last long. Perhaps I haven't practised with them enough but they look like an easy kill to me.

 

I really do like my Helllblasters though, particularly if I am taking Bjorn anyway. They walk up the field with him to benefit from his reroll bubble while overcharging their plasma incinerators. Their firepower is impressive and at <15" range they can gun down a Dreadnought (or equivalent) in a single volley.

 

The Redemptor looks pretty but I cannot decide on a role for it. The Macro plasma cannon is threatened by high variance in its output. The Dakka version is very solid but you already have 3 TAC Razorbacks to meet your horde-clearance needs.

 

Well the Reivers are super scouts, but like all Primaris, are too anal and inflexible about their wargear whereas the old Wolf Scouts can potentially cripple a critical unit behind enemy lines with a plasma gun/melta gun, plasma pistol and combi plasma. Still, on paper they look decent in close combat against non-fearless units and my main use for them is to go after the cover campers. Or at least give his backline predators something to shot at. I guess in terms of cost efficiency, Wolf Scouts might be better and cheaper, but like I said I want to give the Primaris a chance.

 

As for the Inceptors, they're the only other Primaris that don't need the Repulsor to get around. I still don't like the idea of Hellblasters footslogging up the table, especially with those new Predator cannons. Despite only AP -1, just one failed save and its bye bye to your expensive 2 wound unit. Inceptors at least can deepstrike and zip around the place, unleashing at least 6 plasma shots up to a maximum of 18. That's more reliable than the Hellblasters in my opinion. Plus they can charge, and even if they are charged, with T5 and 2 wounds, they MAY survive to fly away and shoot again.

 

The Repulsor and Redemptor Dreadnought, I can't help but feel like a dick if i field these guys. They have an obscene amount of weapons that is unheard of outside of superheavies in the past and cost a bomb to bring even a basic set up. I've got enough heavy weapons in the form of Long Fangs and Flyers, so those 2 are on the backburner for now.

 

Like I said, the way I'm thinking is giving a role to the Primaris SM in a Space Wolves army and making it work. Not have the list work around the Primaris.


"The 6th Legion has a reputation." said Bear.
"All the Legions Astartes have reputations," replied Hawser.
"Not like ours," said Ogvai "We are known for our ferocity. We are thought to be feral and undisciplined. Even brother Legions consider us to be wild and bestial."
"And you're not ?" asked Hawser.
"If we need to be," said Ogvai. "but if that was our natural state, we'd all be dead by now."
He leaned down towards Hawser like a parent addressing a child.
"It takes a vast amount of self control to be this dangerous" he said.

 

Excerpt from "Prospero Burns" by Dan Abnett


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I've taken a shine to the Aggressors. Yes only Str4 shooting but boy do they deliver them. Park them in cover and fire away. 

With the popularity of hoard list (conscripts...horrors...ORKS), being able to deliver 90 shots when standing still with the Boltstorm loadout is quite valuable.


Edited by Evilmerlin, 06 September 2017 - 02:21 AM.

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I've taken a shine to the Aggressors. Yes only Str4 shooting but boy do they deliver them. Park them in cover and fire away. 

With the popularity of hoard list (conscripts...horrors...ORKS), being able to deliver 90 shots when standing still with the Boltstorm loadout is quite valuable.

 

Any idea how to get them into range though? I like them too (what Centurions should look like in the first place) but once again the inability to fit them even in a freaking Land Raider makes me wary of walking them up the board. and even Horde armies will have a few big guns capable of sniping the Agressors 


"The 6th Legion has a reputation." said Bear.
"All the Legions Astartes have reputations," replied Hawser.
"Not like ours," said Ogvai "We are known for our ferocity. We are thought to be feral and undisciplined. Even brother Legions consider us to be wild and bestial."
"And you're not ?" asked Hawser.
"If we need to be," said Ogvai. "but if that was our natural state, we'd all be dead by now."
He leaned down towards Hawser like a parent addressing a child.
"It takes a vast amount of self control to be this dangerous" he said.

 

Excerpt from "Prospero Burns" by Dan Abnett


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I've had decent success just walking them a short distance or immediately deploying them into cover. Most horde list will close range with you anyway and the 18" range isn't as detrimental as it looks. I have contemplated getting a Repulsor with a full dakka load out to move them around too but haven't gotten round to it yet.


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The Repulsor and Redemptor Dreadnought, I can't help but feel like a dick if i field these guys. They have an obscene amount of weapons that is unheard of outside of superheavies in the past and cost a bomb to bring even a basic set up. I've got enough heavy weapons in the form of Long Fangs and Flyers, so those 2 are on the backburner for now.


I would not feel that way, they are huge magnets, My expericence they will die quick. I have been moving away from vehicles, especially Dreads, predators. They just get destroyed fast. I even have to add more bodies on my long fangs / devastor units so they can last longer.

Personally for my Primeris space wolves, I am bringing one Repulsor and 1 Redemptor, both kitted out for daka. I put aggressors, primaris Wolf lord in gravis, Primaris wolf priest, and Primaris LT in the repulsor, and gun it up table to some thing that need beating on. Reivers will meet them there as another destraction.

Edited by munocat, 06 September 2017 - 07:37 AM.


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I'm working on a unit of reivers myself. People may look at them as inflexible, but in my mind, it helps identify exactly what they're used for: backfield harassment. In my opinion, even with Behind Enemy Lines making a comeback, Wolf Scouts can't decide what they want to do. And without the Concealed Positions rule of their cousins, Wolf Scouts can't really help affect deployment. Reivers can halfway do this with grav-chutes. It's a trade off of flexibility of maneuver vs flexibility of gear. Just my $.02.
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I really like the look of the models, especially the dreadnought. But, considering how many times I've been burned on buying something and then it becomes unusable a few months later (ironclad deadnought), I'll wait for our codex to see what they do then.
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I've had decent success just walking them a short distance or immediately deploying them into cover. Most horde list will close range with you anyway and the 18" range isn't as detrimental as it looks. I have contemplated getting a Repulsor with a full dakka load out to move them around too but haven't gotten round to it yet.

 

guess I'll try the baby Centurions. Or rather, what the Centurions should have been in the first place.

 

I'll then paint one yellow and he can be my Aggressor Bear. :P Sorry, been watching too much TTS.


"The 6th Legion has a reputation." said Bear.
"All the Legions Astartes have reputations," replied Hawser.
"Not like ours," said Ogvai "We are known for our ferocity. We are thought to be feral and undisciplined. Even brother Legions consider us to be wild and bestial."
"And you're not ?" asked Hawser.
"If we need to be," said Ogvai. "but if that was our natural state, we'd all be dead by now."
He leaned down towards Hawser like a parent addressing a child.
"It takes a vast amount of self control to be this dangerous" he said.

 

Excerpt from "Prospero Burns" by Dan Abnett


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For a time I was completely against the inclusion of any Primaris in my SWs Army.. I've loosened up a bit but I would probably only include inceptors in mine because I feel they synergize a little better with my Blackmanes Drop Pod force. 



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