old git Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 Where are the IW geneseed rumours from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Where are the IW geneseed rumours from? Their geneseed is said to be chimeric and the bullish strength of the Minotaurs has been fandom linked to Iron Warriors geneseed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old git Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 So nothing even semi official... just more 'shrouded in mystery' so that you can make it up yourself stuff... Arkangilos 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 So nothing even semi official... just more 'shrouded in mystery' so that you can make it up yourself stuff...The "semi official" answer comes from Eadwine Brown, the play tester whose Minotaur army their lore was partially based upon. It was him who stated that they are Iron Warriors descendents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Do you have a direct source so we can see that? Also that is still not really what I would consider official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Where are the IW geneseed rumours from? Screenshot of private Facebook conversation with the guy "in charge" of the Minotaurs fluff. I still don't put 100% weight on it since not only is it a private conversation, I've only ever seen that one screenshot and it could easily be faked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) Do you have a direct source so we can see that? Also that is still not really what I would consider official. Hence why I said semi-official in quotes. https://imgur.com/a/fUExm And how could it be a private conversation if there were likes on it? To me it's just as real as the facebook quotes by Andy Chambers that disprove the Mag Urak Thraka=Margaret Thatcher myth and that the Dark Angels only changed color to push the sale of green paint. Edited September 24, 2017 by Jareddm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 I wouldn't even call that semi-official. The_son_of_Dorn 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 How is it any different from a post by ADB or Laurie that gets screenshot and passed around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 I wouldn't consider any of their posts as official unless it's specified in an official publication, or its about their own official works (in which case it's clarifying something they say). An example being ADB saying when he wrote that the "ultramarines taking in the lost legions is just conjecture from the characters PoV and is not legit." If ADB posted on Facebook "the minotaurs are iron warrior descendants" I wouldn't consider it official until it was backed up by printed lore. Official posts would be posted by GW or FW proper, not individuals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 The point of the conversations were they were Alan Bligh's death bed notes. In the same convo in references Red Scorpions as loyalist EC and Space Sharks as Blackshields by the exiled shade lord. But the same conversations also point out why they will never be officially printed. Part of the mystique to the setting is the mystery. Bligh gave hints in the rules and the background and let people make the connections on their own. I personally consider the theory valid, but my vote only counts for 1 person: me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atia Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 The biggest clue is actually in the 7th edition rules - they are more or less the same afaik^^ blackoption 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) The point of the conversations were they were Alan Bligh's death bed notes. In the same convo in references Red Scorpions as loyalist EC and Space Sharks as Blackshields by the exiled shade lord. But the same conversations also point out why they will never be officially printed. Part of the mystique to the setting is the mystery. Bligh gave hints in the rules and the background and let people make the connections on their own. I personally consider the theory valid, but my vote only counts for 1 person: me. Carcharodons literally have the words "Raven Guard" mentioned like three separate times in their fluff. It's literally an explicit admission of their heritage. It's like if a scientist told you that the Earth exhibited all the characteristics of a round object, but he doesn't know for sure if it's round. But I guess "possessing several genetic markers unique to the Raven Guard gene-seed" means "Night Lords" or "World Eaters" to some people. And then there's the people saying they're chimeric, because of Red Tithe, when the book doesn't mention anything about their geneseed or chimerism. But yeah, unknown lineages are often kept unknown for no reason other than because we have enough confirmed successors running around. Maybe GW and FW like to let people have their fun, even if they're "wrong". If someone likes putting their own conspiracy theory spin on an existing subfaction, there's no real benefit for GW to rain on their parade. Plenty of creators have often been purposefully vague just to observe and enjoy their audience's speculation running rampant. Edited September 28, 2017 by Tyberos the Red Wake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Tyberos: I don't think the Carcharodons coming from the Raven Guard is a big deal. I did not think I implicated they were either Night Lords or World Eaters. However, them coming from a blackshield warband that chose to reject both sides in the Horus Heresy timeline makes them a standout. Though it is only hinted, the implications of a them coming from Shade Lord Arkas Fall (spelling), a warlord that renounced the emperor, and coming back to the fold and fighting for the Imperium sets a precedent, even if the truth is only known in the shadows themselves. At least, that is my take on the Carcharodons history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyberos the Red Wake Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 My point was that even "officially printed" stuff is ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autek mor Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) sorry to hear that the deathguard are forcing more chapters to go full primaris but i guess having your geneseed stock turned into slime is better than being totally crushed in battle or having to be saved by the ultramarines. i don't like the idea but i'm happy that it didn't get any worse than that. Edited October 13, 2017 by autek mor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Is it too much to ask to have some 40k story other than 'lol Imperium sucks, your dudes fail, pyrrhic victories are the best you can hope for'? I'm sure they used to... You may be in the wrong hobby! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ascanius Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Carcharodons literally have the words "Raven Guard" mentioned like three separate times in their fluff. It's literally an explicit admission of their heritage. It's like if a scientist told you that the Earth exhibited all the characteristics of a round object, but he doesn't know for sure if it's round. But I guess "possessing several genetic markers unique to the Raven Guard gene-seed" means "Night Lords" or "World Eaters" to some people. And then there's the people saying they're chimeric, because of Red Tithe, when the book doesn't mention anything about their geneseed or chimerism. Don't both Red Tithe and the prequel "The Reaping Time" clearly suggest the Carcharodons have a mixed genetic heritage? I know "The Reaping Time" does, when Te Kahurangi reflects that Akia's "particular gene heritage" isn't hard to divine. blackoption 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Turok Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Nope... I own the forgeworld books, horus hereay books, digital short stories, and red tithe. The carcharodons are raven guard outcasts. They were too violent for the primarch and didn't fit his stealthy legion style, so he sent thme out with their own fleet to combat man's enemies. This is why they share the pale skin and likeness of raven guard (black eyes), are fleet based, wear repaired heresy era armor, wear classic old horus heresy raven guard colors (shades of gray), and are violent instead of sneaky. There is nothing that ties them to multiple Genesee or other legions, other than rumormongering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsSons Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Replying on this thread because I just realized that Forgeworld is selling Minotaurs doors for the Repulsor... So it's official, Minotaurs got Primaris stuff :D :D old git 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autek mor Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Replying on this thread because I just realized that Forgeworld is selling Minotaurs doors for the Repulsor... So it's official, Minotaurs got Primaris stuff thats good news, the minotaurs live on, the deathguard can suck it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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