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So to confirm...

 

Carrion Throne and Emperor's Legion are the first books in two series (Vaults of Terra and Watchers of the Throne respectively), right?

 

Seems so.

 

"Series...Series everywhere..."

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I think from now on, whenever someone trots out 'all the Gathering Storm fluff is bad' they need to be linked to this book and told they're wrong. That was bloody awesome.

 

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GS was a piece of utter trash, born from abortion of GW sewers

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This book is entirely awesome, had to read it all the way through in one go as i couldn't put down!

It is complicated. It is much more frustrating than a more straightforward Carrion Throne.

This one is too constricted for it's own good. Instead of being more universal (3 characters across the Galaxy with the Terra as a Nexus point) we have them 'written' into their 'pocket' universes. It would have worked for the beginning (after I read first 150 pages I thought it was nice and it will extrapolite on the events next).

Now I read it fully and sadly disappointing with how it all progressed after page 200.

Too much time spent on fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out.

GS/DI Setting still sucks from being too overspilled and childish and very chaotic and unpurposeful.

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Too much time spent fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out

That is literally the dumbest thing ever. The way your post reads (and many others) you make it sound like you only want novels that have a story plot that goes from A to B without any extra fluffing out of characters and events.

 

The whole point of novels is to flesh these things out so that the setting and plot become richer because of it. For good or ill it’s generally a good thing to have more content than less.

 

Perhaps the language barrier is an issue more for you than you realise. You appear needlessly harsh and critical over nearly every story unless there is direct plot advancement. Missing out on the fleshing out of characters and events is literally the bread and butter that makes these books amazing and not chaotic at all but more focused and rich in content.

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I think from now on, whenever someone trots out 'all the Gathering Storm fluff is bad' they need to be linked to this book and told they're wrong. That was bloody awesome.

 

Dragonlover

GS was a piece of utter trash, born from abortion of GW sewers

 

 

don't hold back now, tell us what you really think

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Too much time spent fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out

That is literally the dumbest thing ever. The way your post reads (and many others) you make it sound like you only want novels that have a story plot that goes from A to B without any extra fluffing out of characters and events.

 

The whole point of novels is to flesh these things out so that the setting and plot become richer because of it. For good or ill it’s generally a good thing to have more content than less.

 

Perhaps the language barrier is an issue more for you than you realise. You appear needlessly harsh and critical over nearly every story unless there is direct plot advancement. Missing out on the fleshing out of characters and events is literally the bread and butter that makes these books amazing and not chaotic at all but more focused and rich in content.

 

 

 

eh, it might not be a language barrier as far as politeness goes, it might be cultural standards on appreciation on what makes a good story (like how china was supposedly going to reject the film dunkirk on the basis that a story built around a retreat was at odds with chinese values. the movie actually went on to do really well there funnily enough, so ok...forget that example) 

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Too much time spent fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out

That is literally the dumbest thing ever. The way your post reads (and many others) you make it sound like you only want novels that have a story plot that goes from A to B without any extra fluffing out of characters and events.

 

The whole point of novels is to flesh these things out so that the setting and plot become richer because of it. For good or ill it’s generally a good thing to have more content than less.

 

Perhaps the language barrier is an issue more for you than you realise. You appear needlessly harsh and critical over nearly every story unless there is direct plot advancement. Missing out on the fleshing out of characters and events is literally the bread and butter that makes these books amazing and not chaotic at all but more focused and rich in content.

 

Right.

Ok - from the moment

Rift has appeared and chansellor went to Luna and Khorne invasion went
it became a usual, unemotional bolter porn with the side view of events already prized for us before in horrible GS codexes.

Beginning was amazing - as soon as 'fighting' started novel lost it's charm and soul. And became another uninspiring killing daemons W40K story.

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Too much time spent fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out

That is literally the dumbest thing ever. The way your post reads (and many others) you make it sound like you only want novels that have a story plot that goes from A to B without any extra fluffing out of characters and events.

 

The whole point of novels is to flesh these things out so that the setting and plot become richer because of it. For good or ill it’s generally a good thing to have more content than less.

 

Perhaps the language barrier is an issue more for you than you realise. You appear needlessly harsh and critical over nearly every story unless there is direct plot advancement. Missing out on the fleshing out of characters and events is literally the bread and butter that makes these books amazing and not chaotic at all but more focused and rich in content.

 

 

 

eh, it might not be a language barrier as far as politeness goes, it might be cultural standards on appreciation on what makes a good story (like how china was supposedly going to reject the film dunkirk on the basis that a story built around a retreat was at odds with chinese values. the movie actually went on to do really well there funnily enough, so ok...forget that example) 

 

language, cultural standards and opinion on death and life. We are more 'depressed' than you, we are more stucked to material universe of living today instead of living today and tomorrow and years from now. For us - in the eastern Europe, in general for the Slavic people W40K in 90-s and beginning of 2000 was grimdark. Last years - both in HH and 'new' GS  are beyond childish for us.

In how all depicted (like cartoons and comics instead of 'sarcastic' seriousness from the past), how warfare written (It became more humane and 'nice' to be on pair with the lessening of the age of W40K players), how human 'evil' characters are shown.

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Too much time spent fleshing out events and characters that have no need to be fleshed out

That is literally the dumbest thing ever. The way your post reads (and many others) you make it sound like you only want novels that have a story plot that goes from A to B without any extra fluffing out of characters and events.

 

The whole point of novels is to flesh these things out so that the setting and plot become richer because of it. For good or ill it’s generally a good thing to have more content than less.

 

Perhaps the language barrier is an issue more for you than you realise. You appear needlessly harsh and critical over nearly every story unless there is direct plot advancement. Missing out on the fleshing out of characters and events is literally the bread and butter that makes these books amazing and not chaotic at all but more focused and rich in content.

 

Right.

Ok - from the moment

Rift has appeared and chansellor went to Luna and Khorne invasion went
it became a usual, unemotional bolter porn with the side view of events already prized for us before in horrible GS codexes.

Beginning was amazing - as soon as 'fighting' started novel lost it's charm and soul. And became another uninspiring killing daemons W40K story.

 

 

I unfortunately do agree with this - the novel lost its charm once battle happened. It didn't need that, it wasn't really an action novel, and the text, characterisation and atmosphere dissipated. I loved how the Luna meeting was written - post-bellum - that was well-done. But the fighting that seemed to dominate henceforth? I was skipping through it sadly. I'd rather have had more of the politics, long-view and reflection. 

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Do we know if BL will release their novels as softbacks in the future?

 

If so, this one would be a musthave.

 

Otherwise, an ebook should be fine as well. :)

 

Their hardbacks are getting more and more expensive, imho.

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Do we know if BL will release their novels as softbacks in the future?

 

If so, this one would be a musthave.

 

Otherwise, an ebook should be fine as well. :smile.:

 

Their hardbacks are getting more and more expensive, imho.

Why not simply stick to ebooks. Cheaper, you have spare book shelfs etc.

 

 

Just started this; the opening section = how a book should start!

Almost everyone of us agree that Watchers 'first' part of the novel is really good and sometimes amazing. It's getting worse in the second part, sadly

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Almost everyone of us agree that Watchers 'first' part of the novel is really good and sometimes amazing. It's getting worse in the second part, sadly

 

 

Absolutely disagree, second part of the book was even better, it's brilliant from start to finish. C'mon, it's WARhammer, "bolterporn" always was and always will be an essential part of the universe. IMO, the best book Chris Wraight ever wrote.

 

BTW, does anyone know what the short story Blood Guilt is about? 

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Picked it up on Audible yesterday when the BL lineup launched. They actually use a different narrator for each of the three perspectives, that's pretty dang awesome.

 

Currently only on chapter 6, but Chris really nails the politics that I loved about The Beast Arises, the awe-inspiring inside looks that The Carrion Throne scored with, and the immediacy of the plot, with Cadia falling, Black Legion scheming and the High Lords halfway acknowledging the need for sweeping changes to survive. Coolest maybe is that the High Lords actually seem competent so far. The system is working reasonably effectively rather than being even just half as mad as in the days of the Beast.

 

Let's see how this develops from here on, but damn me those opening chapters are impressive storytelling.

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this bad boy just turned up in the mail.

 

that and Jamie Oliver's 5 Ingredients book.

 

had to get something sci-fi kewl to go along with the house proud culinary adult life mallarkey.

Ha, thay fits the food focus of the first chapter!

 

But what will you make? Also how is it compared to Oliver's other books?

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Oliver's works are by the numbers for me although his characters are full of flavour....

 

On chapter 4, its excellent. I have so many questions about the setting but am not being deterred or put off which is a sign of a good book for me!

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this bad boy just turned up in the mail.

 

that and Jamie Oliver's 5 Ingredients book.

 

had to get something sci-fi kewl to go along with the house proud culinary adult life mallarkey.

Ha, thay fits the food focus of the first chapter!

 

But what will you make? Also how is it compared to Oliver's other books?

 

 

lol read the first chapter last night and i get what you mean

 

as for oliver: theyre all super easy to make foods and i eat everything that doesnt have coconut or peanut butter in it so it is pretty much an entire book of things i will make  

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