Aliase Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Sorry if this is a silly question but could someone explain how our transports work in that they say "cannot transport adepta sororitas of a different order." What does this mean exactly and can someone give me an example. Like our hospitaller model doesn't have the <order> key word so can she even ride in one? Thanks for the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montford Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 You pick one of the six major orders, or make up your own, for your army to represent. For example, I play the Order of the Sacred Rose. An <Order> for the Sisters of Battle is akin to a <Chapter> for Space Marines. Hospitallers are Adepta Sororitas from the <Order> Hospitaller. Their abilities can affect any friendly Adepta Sororitas infantry unit regardless of their <Order>. But apparently, through design or oversight by GW, they cannot ride in Adepta Sororitas transports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliase Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 Thanks Mont. I can't believe she cannot ride but suspected as much. Thanks for confirming. Guess she always has to foot slog :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackarmor_redtruth Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Just looked at elites... hospitaller and dailogus golly gee GW oversight? ...or intentional *sigh*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montford Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I am taking two Hospitallers in a 3K list for a battle tomorrow. I'll keep this thread in mind to see how much of an impact not being able to hitch a ride has on their performance and report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Hospitallers and Dialogus can ride in Immolators and Rhinos just fine! The two transports can carry any units keyworded Adeptus Ministorum Infantry, provided they don't also have the keyword Jump Pack or a different <Order>. As neither the Hospitaller nor the Dialogus have an <Order> keyword, they are not affected by this final restriction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Yeah Hospitaller is not an order rules wise or fluff wise. I’d say since they don’t have the Order keyword they can’t conflict with the transport’s order so you should be fine? The Order of Serenity is an Order Hospitaller. The same way the Order of Our Martyred Lady is an Order Militant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliase Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 Thanks Captain...so does that mean that in a repressor I can put the following? Ministorum Priest, Hospitaller, Repentia, and MIstress of Repentia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Repressors operate on a different wording to Immolators and Rhinos, and only allow units of the same <Order>. So unfortunately you would not. But you could, if they were to ride in a Sororitas Rhino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliase Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 Ok gotcha. I hadn't noticed the slightly different wording for repressor transport. Thanks so much all for the help :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 No problem! I've had to really get Super Familiar with the various rules interactions with my preparations for Tactics for Units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyalist Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I was wondering about this tonight while planning a small allied Ministorum Vanguard Detachment using my limited number of models, which don't include Sisters. The way the rules are written for the Sisters Rhino and Immolator they can carry any "Ministorum Infantry" so presumably I can put my Priests, Crusaders, Death Cult Assassins and Arcoflagellants in them. Too bad about the wording on Repressors in the new FW Index. I can only use my Repressors to carry Inquisition units unless I buy some Sisters. I'm using them to carry 2 6-man Arbites units as 'acolytes' which is fitting because according to GW fluff the Sisers adopted Repressors after borrowing some from the Adeptus Arbites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Though the Arbites depressor has a water cannon rather than a flamer :D Yes you can put DCA, Crusaders, Arcos, Priests and what not in Sororitas transports. Anything with the ADEPTUS MINISTORUM faction keyword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliase Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 I hate to revive this old thread but I have a new similar question. Can a cannoness ride in the same transport as repentia? She does have <order> listed. Does that make her "different" than repentia? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 I'm not sure quite what your last question means. Repentia and Canonesses both have Adeptus Ministorum, and they both have <Order>, so both Immolators and Rhinos of the same <Order> can carry them with no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 You're over thinking this. The easiest way to look at this is to pick an Order like Order of the Ebon Shroud and replace every instance of <Order> with that Order. e.g. Imagifier keywords: Order of the Ebon Shroud, Adepta Sororitas, Adeptus Ministorum, Character, Elites, Imagifier, Imperium, Infantry Rules: Acts of Faith, Shield of Faith Similacrum Imperialis: Roll a D6 at the start of each of your turns, on a 4+ you can pick a friendly Order of the Ebon Shroud unit within 6" of this model that has the Acts of Faith ability and perform an Act of Faith with it. this is addition to the Act of Faith you are normally allowed to use in one turn. As long as you do that, the only conflicts you'll have right now are Celestine, Hospitallers and Dialogus because they don't have an <Order> keyword so can't be models from any Order, custom or canon. This means they can't get into Repressors -- which Celestine can't anyway because of her jump pack -- because it can only transport models from the Order you pick and that's it. It also means they can't be given Acts of Faith by Imagifiers. WHEN THE CODEX COMES OUT you may run into more conflicts. Say you like the rules, relics and stratagems for both Bloody Chalice and Sacred Rose so you take a detachment of each. You now have to watch all of the following: * Imagifiers - can't use Bloody Chalice Imagifiers to give Sacred Rose units Acts of Faith and visa versa * Transports - Bloody Chalice units cannot be in the same Rhino or Immolator as units from Sacred Rose. Further, a Bloody Chalice Repressor can't transport Sacred Rose units or visa versa. * Stratagems, relics and WL traits - Order specific stratagems, relics and WL traits can't be given to units from the other Order. E.g., if the Ardent Blade suddenly becomes an Order of the Sacred Heart relic only characters from that Order can take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliase Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 Thanks guys. I was concerned that repentia were considered "order repentia" such that they could not ride with a cannoness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aothaine Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Repressors operate on a different wording to Immolators and Rhinos, and only allow units of the same <Order>. So unfortunately you would not. But you could, if they were to ride in a Sororitas Rhino. Doesn't change the fact that Repressors are one of the best transports in the game. ^_^ I LOVE THEM!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Alaise, no, certainly not. The only things that are specifically one order or another will say they do. <Order> with the <> brackets will always be a wild-card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Again, Order Repentia is not anything in the fluff or the rules :D the only Keyword the Repentia have that has Order in it is the <Order> Keyword, which you are told to replace with any Order name you want. In terms of fluff, Repentia aren't technically members of any Order I guess, although the rules seem to associate them with whichever Order they used to be a part of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montford Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I always considered Repentia to still be a part of their original Order, as survivors do have the ability to be 're-frocked' as Sisters of Battle if their Canoness declares their repentance to be complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taikishi Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I always considered Repentia to still be a part of their original Order, as survivors do have the ability to be 're-frocked' as Sisters of Battle if their Canoness declares their repentance to be complete. Last I knew, they were. I can't seem to find anything that supports there being either an Order Repentia or an Ordo Repentia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servant of Dante Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Like I said there is no “Order Repentia” but the Oath of the Penitent involves being cast from the Order, having your armor stripped off, etc. It seems that Repentia then serve under a Mistress of Repentance from the Order they were in so they’re still fighting with that Order, but technically they’re not a memeber of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purifying Tempest Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 This may be one of the instances where fluff and rules collide, but in order to not break the unit they added the keyword intentionally to save themselves from the impending conflict. Repentia without a transport... I think they would be a little further back on my shelf than they currently live if that was the case. I'm not exactly chomping to bring them now... but if they were forced to slog, too?! Please, 5+++ them when near a Mistress or something! Anyways, cannot add much that is directly on topic because they already hammered the answer: <KEYWORD> style things are variables and completely left to the player. I could say it means <Valorous Heart> over here, and then <Crimson Chalice of Giant Yellow Birds> over there... and my <Crimson Chalice of Giant Yellow Birds> would never be able to ride in my <Valorous Heart> transports. It is so easy to work around that, you just name all the units the same Order, but it will have more significance when our Codex comes out and we have a reason to be Bloody Rose or Valorous Heart (or maybe one or the other for separate parts of our armies). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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