adreal Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Hey guys, A discussion on my local groups Facebook brought up fire frenzy and the hellforged units (contemptor, leviathon and deredeo). I thought because (for whatever reason) the fire frenzy stratagem said helbrute not HELBRUTE that technically only hellbrutes could use it. Three people are arguing that it's a keyword even though it's not bolded (which I think is the intent) so the hellforged units can use it. This is something I would love to be wrong on, double shooting soulburners sounds delightful, but am I correct in that RAW only hellbrutes can use it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradigm Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Only Helbrutes, not HELBRUTEs. without the bold it isn't a keyword, unless there is an FAQ that makes a change to it in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adreal Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 Only Helbrutes, not HELBRUTEs. without the bold it isn't a keyword, unless there is an FAQ that makes a change to it in the future. That's what I thought, I asked the warhammer 40k Facebook team to see if we can get something official (again, I hope I'm wrong) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 It's definitely not a keyword. GW writes words bold or not bold for a reason. That's why they changed Longstrikes special rule from Hammerhead to Hammerhead via Errata shortly after the Index release and why the Predator and Vindicator Stratagems use not-bold names as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 But they have released two FAQs for DG and CSM both of which touched upon Helbrutes being actual Keywords for the traits yet haven't bothered with fire frenzy since obviously it's their intent that FW dreads can't use it, I really can't understand how people can still try argue it when it's clearly written Tamika and Panzer 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnboardG1 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 This is another issue with Keyword overlap. There should be a Helbrute(unit) keyword where ambiguity exists (or they should just change it to Dreadnought and make sure that keywords are exclusive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Or people should just stop assuming GW makes mistakes everywhere and accept that it isn't written bold for a reason. ^^ Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) This is another issue with Keyword overlap. There should be a Helbrute(unit) keyword where ambiguity exists (or they should just change it to Dreadnought and make sure that keywords are exclusive).Not really it works how it's intended to, you got certain stratagems that only affect a unit like helbrutes, cultists etc which aren't bolded so there is no issue then you have abilities that affect all types of units with the keyword like the legion traits etc. To be fair its just FWs fault (probably GWs as well ) since they didn't work together to ensure their units would share the same keywords from the start remember how they had to faq everything so it had the Helbrute keyword in order to benefit from the legion traits which didn't really take into account the FW stuff to begin with Besides GW killed the concept of Dreadnoughts for chaos a while ago so there would be difference between loyalists and traitors it's only FW which stuck to the old names, had they just called them Helbrutes (like Contemptor Helbrute instead of Dreadnought) as well there would not of been any issue Rather funny how this edition so many people don't read the rules properly and try insisting it works differently, look at that bull crap with people arguing that a a Leman Russ tank couldn't benefit from grinding advance if it didn't move :D Edited October 19, 2017 by Plaguecaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adreal Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 (edited) Oddly, while we all agree what a keyword is (bolded in caps) I can't for the life of me find that anywhere in the rulebook or our codex..... Can someone help Edited October 19, 2017 by adreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamIsCollapsing Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Imo the only FW dread that can use Fire Frenzy is the EC Noise Dreadnought as it is make from the Hellbrute datasheet with different armement option. Khornestar and Tamika 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Yeah the Noise Dread is no seperate unit anymore, it's just a different loadout for the regular Helbrute. Big difference. ^^ Tamika 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adreal Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 Well the warhammer 40k Facebook page got back to me, turns out that Yeah, forge world dreads can't use the strat, because of how it is written, maybe they will update a FAQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I dunno, as much as maybe I'd like it to be true, a double-dakka Leviathan dread shooting twice would be pretty gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonReign Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 I hadn't noticed the bolding - so this thread has cleared things up for me without having to ask ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azekai Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I dunno, as much as maybe I'd like it to be true, a double-dakka Leviathan dread shooting twice would be pretty gross. Meh, if Kastelan robots can shoot twice, just about everything else double-tapping seems tame by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Yeah Kastellans are sick. Incredible amount of dakka and super durable. I'm glad the unit itself got nerfed a little bit with the Codex (no improved invul to reflect shots, shots get doubled instead of actually shooting twice so number of targets got halfed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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