Emprah2508 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Hey guys and girls i need some help writing 4 lists for an escalation style campaign. The points boundaries are 500, 1000, 1500 and 2000 points. The rules are that the first list must be in the patrol detachment and that each list must be carried over to the next points bracket. (The expection is that the detachments that the units are part of can change just not the units themselves). I will buying more deathwatch stuff for this so go crazy with whatever units you suggest. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_149 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Up to you pick stuff you like :) at 500 points I'd have a watch captain with a mc Boltgun and xenophase blade, 2 squads of 5 marines with a frag cannon and 2 ss in each (as they are only 5 pts now and look cool!) and a venerable dreadnought with ml and lascannon. You can then expand with another squad, a librarian and a flyer to get to 1k. After that it gets easier! Think what armies are your opponents using? Lots of vehicles more flyers/Las/Melta hordes - flyers, ass backs, frag cannons etc go crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 The 3 other guys are running orks, ultramarines and cadians i know that the cadian player will be playing a knight at some point and aside from getting a knight myself im not sure how to combat that. (It has a battle cannon chainsword and missile pod) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_149 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 To take out high wound count models you will need Melta guns/lascannons at range as they do high damage. In close combat you need thunderhammers so terminators basically as they are most likely to survive any attack backs. We don't get multi meltas in any volume which is a shame. However, the rumoured new stratagem allows us to redeploy a unit to outside 9" away but within 6" of another. Might be handy for shifting that combi meltas squad into position. The only sad part is a vet with a combi melta costs 38pts and 5 will cost 190 you maybe better getting more ven dreads as they hit on 2s and ignore wounds on a 6....up to you! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Well a knight errant with a fist thermal cannon and stormstrike missiles is just shy of 500 points so i could add that for the 1500 point list because thats when i know the guard player will use his Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_149 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I think "math hammer" says that the avenger gatling thingy is better against a wider range of targets that the other weapon options. However! If it looks cool and you will enjoy using it kit it out as you want (or use magnets Vel'Cona 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Yeah ive always liked the look of the thermal cannon and it means it will be better at killing the various tanks ill be facing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 To take out high wound count models you will need Melta guns/lascannons at range as they do high damage. In close combat you need thunderhammers so terminators basically as they are most likely to survive any attack backs. We don't get multi meltas in any volume which is a shame. However, the rumoured new stratagem allows us to redeploy a unit to outside 9" away but within 6" of another. Might be handy for shifting that combi meltas squad into position. The only sad part is a vet with a combi melta costs 38pts and 5 will cost 190 you maybe better getting more ven dreads as they hit on 2s and ignore wounds on a 6....up to you! *cough* Hellblasters *cough* plus captain *cough* rapid-fire goodness *cough* Yeah ive always liked the look of the thermal cannon and it means it will be better at killing the various tanks ill be facing Why not take both, though? TC + gatling for maximum dakka? You'll need something to kill screens en masse anyway if you're going with DW... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I find that IK in general in this edition are roughly interchangeable since most of their games come down to shoot/stomp anyway. If you're plumping for one the only bad choice IMHO is the Gallant, but I'm not a fan of giving up the big gun for melee flexibility that the IK ultimately won't really need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 How many points would a knight with a garling gun and thermal cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_149 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Without carapace weapons 512 pts :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Thats the problem it needs to be 500 points or less because it needs to fit in the points brackets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_149 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Seems a bit tight that they wouldn't let 12 points slide! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) True so knight with thermal cannon and gatling cannon with a stubber comes to 512. Now i just need a solid 500 point list and further 500 points onto that. Edited November 28, 2017 by Emprah2508 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_149 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Or two 494 pts army lists :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Indeed. Ill have a read of the index and see what i can cobble together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 500: HQ Artemis TROOPS Vet squad: Frag cannon Power sword Vet squad: Infernus heavy bolter Xenophase blade Vet squad: 3 x shotgun Power sword 1000: Same as before including: HQ Watch master FLYER Black star: Assualt cannons Stormstrike missiles Auspex scanner ELITES Venerable dreadnought: Close combat weapon Plasma cannon 1500 adds the knight. What are your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moostick Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Your 1000 pts list is 43 points over. WM is 130 Corvus is 251 Ven Dread is 162 (must take at least SB with CCW) Swapping out Artemis for a cheaper HQ, and changing the Ven dread to a regular dread with LC/Autocannon instead would be my suggestions to solve points trouble and bring better guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 Must have done my maths wrong sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_149 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 You seen battlescribe app on Android? Recommend it for building lists (other list builders are available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Always doublecheck battlescribe's point values and options though... Battlescribe is a useful tool, but i have seen way too many illegal wargear options and wrong point values to trust it completely. Vel'Cona 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_149 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Really? I haven't had any problems with it. What army lists were you looking at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Always doublecheck battlescribe's point values and options though... Battlescribe is a useful tool, but i have seen way too many illegal wargear options and wrong point values to trust it completely. Seconded. I enjoy throwing together quick lists with it but I always double check my lists. robofish7591 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofish7591 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 It obviously depends on which version of the list, and I haven't actually used battlescribe since 7th. But, off the top of my head I had problems with some of the horus heresy, sisters of battle, and chaos space marine lists. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "don't use battlescribe". I used battlescribe a lot during 6th and 7th. I just want people to be aware that it isn't a substitute for having a codex. Vel'Cona 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emprah2508 Posted December 2, 2017 Author Share Posted December 2, 2017 Ive been attracted by the scions when i went into the store and ended up spending £200 of scions and a shadowsword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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