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How would Sanguinius's return be explained?


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Dark Imperium is a joke of a plot and novel too, so... 


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It's the most up-to-date canon and a great story.

Edit: Typo

Edited by Ishagu, 07 December 2017 - 10:24 AM.

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We'll leave that to opinion, quality-wise.


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That isnt completely true either... he was placed in stasis on the point of death, which could mean just after or just before. Heck, it could even mean when they realised he couldnt be saved normally but might live another few hours under normal circumstances. Either could be a valid interpretation.

Nah - he's specifically referred to as a "corpse" in a sidebar in the 2nd Ed Ultramarines Codex, and there's talk about his "death wounds." It's not extremely specific about anything (the aside's more about the Shrine of the Primarch), but it's pretty clear that Guilliman is not among the living. Things change, and it's close enough to not be a huge retcon, but a retcon it was.


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Yeah, that was the 2nd edition codex. The wording was changed and it became a lot more ambiguous and open to interpretation after that.

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There has always been an in universe non McGuffin way to bring back the dead primarchs. The warp allows people in the material universe to summon demons/demon princes etc. by ritual and belief. This same principle applies to the Imperium. You just need people with enough faith and some kind of summoning/prayer ritual to bring them back. Think of them as angels instead of demons.

 

We've even seen some of this in the books. When the Big E needs help in the book "Master of Mankind" he summons help from the warp and you see the ghost of Ferrus Manus help him out. Since Sangy's body has been preserved in stasis it would make it even easier to summon his spirit back to come back into his body.


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Bringing back a primarch through the prayer given to the God-Emperor is certainly safer and less prone to nasty surprises than through... the other way.

 

"So, we have nearly completed the ritual to return our noble father!"

 

"Did it have to include blood sacrifice?"

 

"I'm afraid so. I fear anything less won't be able to restore a shattered soul."

 

"Cleaning all this blood off my armor will take weeks."

 

"It'll be worth it, brother."

 

"And that shade of red seriously clashes with my cooking mittens."

 

"Shush! The primarch is rising!"

 

"I'm Horus. Bow before me mortals, and despair!"

 

"What?"

 

"I mean I'm Sanguinius. Totally totes."

 

"Of course. My Lyman's Ear has been playing up all month."



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But Sanguinius' death (along with Ferrus, Curze & Horus) should be final. 

 

You are aware not one but two of these ships sailed years ago? whistlingW.gif

 

Three if we count the fact Kurze's 'death' was kept deliberately vague and his current character arc in Ruinstorm points at him slowly accepting the fact the future can be changed and he might yet try something clever to try and throw a spanner in the works?

 

Really, I'd like Khan or Vulkan to come back first, but I won't be throwing tantrums if GW writers will go for some 'clever' plot twist. It's far more sensible position than clinging to your headcanon when it was entirely invalidated long ago then complaining the newest developments ignored it.



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So you count clones now? Horus' clone was a pale imitation of the original Primarch.

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Dark Imperium categorically states that the Emperor is still alive on the Throne, and his psychic might is far greater than it was during the Heresy. Guilliman was subjected to the Emperor "communicating" with him and it nearly killed him.

This isn't up for debate. He's still powering the Astronomicon.

 

In Vaults of Terra the Inquisition is freaking out over the Imperial Throne breaking, so much so they attempt assistance with xenos. So... fluff seems very scattered on the Emperor's status.


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If/when the Emperor dies/ascends you can be sure GW will leverage the event.

I'm firmly in the he still exists in the material.

Is there a growing distinct warp presence? I hope so...

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But Sanguinius' death (along with Ferrus, Curze & Horus) should be final.


You are aware not one but two of these ships sailed years ago? whistlingW.gif

Three if we count the fact Kurze's 'death' was kept deliberately vague and his current character arc in Ruinstorm points at him slowly accepting the fact the future can be changed and he might yet try something clever to try and throw a spanner in the works?

Really, I'd like Khan or Vulkan to come back first, but I won't be throwing tantrums if GW writers will go for some 'clever' plot twist. It's far more sensible position than clinging to your headcanon when it was entirely invalidated long ago then complaining the newest developments ignored it.

Huh? Kurze is dead, we see that in the Nightlord Series.

Did I miss something for Ferrus?

Horus has always had the clone story (a clone is a clone...)

So no, other than the hideous Vulkan arc, what has changed?

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