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Gaunt's Ghosts: The Warmaster

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Vesper,

 

Yes, the Sons of Sek do show up, though it's a limited cameo, all things considered. They are portrayed much as they were in Salvation's Reach.

 

Regarding Sek. ...

 

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Urdesh is shown to be a grind of a war, one where neither side wants to destroy the invaluable manufacturing capabilities of the various Forges.

 

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Concerning Sek

 

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So, uh. Do we have a timeframe for part 2 of this book yet?


It came with the nightfall

The dark that swallowed the stars
One by one, it painted them black
And brought horror to our hearts


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Just finished this morning- loved it, definitely one of Dan Abnett's better works- my only regret is that this release snuck up on me so I didn't have time to re-read the entire series as I'd planned to.

 

My one qualm is with the ".40 cal cannons" on the light tanks (and .30 cal machineguns that can apparently destroy tanks) toward the end that can flip over trucks and blow craters in the ground, but that's pure nitpicking on my part.


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Just finished this morning- loved it, definitely one of Dan Abnett's better works- my only regret is that this release snuck up on me so I didn't have time to re-read the entire series as I'd planned to.

My one qualm is with the ".40 cal cannons" on the light tanks (and .30 cal machineguns that can apparently destroy tanks) toward the end that can flip over trucks and blow craters in the ground, but that's pure nitpicking on my part.


My guess is he means 40mm cannons for the tanks. That means the guns are roughly the same size as those found in some early WWII-era tanks. Probably an error someone should've caught though.

Edited by cheywood, 13 December 2017 - 10:28 PM.


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Just finished this morning- loved it, definitely one of Dan Abnett's better works- my only regret is that this release snuck up on me so I didn't have time to re-read the entire series as I'd planned to.

My one qualm is with the ".40 cal cannons" on the light tanks (and .30 cal machineguns that can apparently destroy tanks) toward the end that can flip over trucks and blow craters in the ground, but that's pure nitpicking on my part.


My guess is he means 40mm cannons for the tanks. That means the guns are roughly the same size as those found in some early WWII-era tanks. Probably an error someone should've caught though.

 

That's what I assumed as well- or at least, that's how I was trying to picture the scene in my head.

 

 

 

Concerning Sek

 

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Goddamn it, this book is so good, (Though i wish id re read the last few to recall who everyone is... I mean surviviors from the first few series have been read and re-read a few times but newer recruits are fuzzy) but i ripped through it mostly on a hellish train journey this weekend (Spoilers, British rail is still bloody useless at weather) and now i have to wait years for the next one because Abnett hates us and cant write self contained books any more, or end books.  sad.png

But its so gooooood...


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Concerning Sek

 

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Ah. My mistake then, I misremembered the names.

 

So, uh. Do we have a timeframe for part 2 of this book yet?

 

and now i have to wait years for the next one because Abnett hates us and cant write self contained books any more, or end books.  sad.png

 

Abnett's said he's already started writing The Anarch, so I think we should expect it some time in 2018. Not exactly another six year gap.

 

On the subject of time,

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Also, I don't know if this is derailing and please ignore me if it is, but a lot of people in this thread are saying that The Warmaster is one of the better Gaunt's Ghosts books, and I'm not seeing it. Now, I admit I haven't reread the series in a while, and I may very well be remembering the books better than they were, but is it really? There were moments that I enjoyed, but that's about it, and ranking them in my head I'm putting The Warmaster near the bottom maybe a step above Straight Silver, and I can't describe how much I disliked Straight Silver with its dumb plot, dumber side plots, and nothing to show for any of it. It's nowhere near the top with Only in Death (followed in no particular order by), His Last Command (after the chapters reconciling Traitor General), Necropolis, and Sabbat Martyr. Can someone tell me if I'm missing something?


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It came with the nightfall

The dark that swallowed the stars
One by one, it painted them black
And brought horror to our hearts


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KingHongKong,

 

Enjoyment is always going to be up to the individual. That's not to say you're wrong for not liking Warmaster, of course, and I'll grant you that a lot of readers might be very favorable toward it because of long-term anticipation (though that can also lead to brutal expectations). Speaking for myself, I'm currently re-reading Guns of Tanith. I think Warmaster is better than all entries to this point save for Necropolis. Time will tell as I go through the rest of the series again, but I feel like I'll feel the same with Straight Silver, His Last Command, and probably Blood Pact, too (with that last one being a novel I enjoyed just fine). Basically, I feel comfortable placing Warmaster in the top half of the series, quality-wise, and am tempted to say I'll end up rating it higher still by virtue of the fact that the Victory story arc is pushing the narrative to ambitious degrees.


Edited by Phoebus, 14 December 2017 - 07:33 AM.

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I'm almost finished with the book, but my reading has been stalled by an almost Bragg level event in the book. Dan Abnett really knows how to kick me in the feels.


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KHK - as Phoebus says, it ultimately all comes down to personal taste. I receive my copy of The Warmaster in the post today so cannot yet comment on where it fits in terms of my favourites.

However, I did reread the entire GG and related Sabbat Crusade books over the summer in anticipation. I read them all back-to-back and chronologically (ie. I inserted Double Eagle and Titanicus) and I find it interesting that my two favourite books tend to be two that others often cite as being among the weaker books...

Traitor General and Blood Pact.

I love both of those books and IMHO they are the two best in the series. A lot of people get animated about TG because of the whole Chaos Space Marine thing but for me the strength of TG is that Abnett does not do what is expected in terms of the characters etc.

I agree with most that Necropolis is top tier also but personally prefer Only In Death.

You then cite His Last Command as one of your favs but for me that is one of the books I like least (it isn't bad).

I have also never got the criticism people aim at Straight Silver. I thought that was pretty solid in every way!

So all a question of personal taste. What I will say though is reading all the books back-to-back was a totally immersive experience and one that highlighted something very clearly to me. Abnett has got better and better over the years as a writer both in terms of style and character. Some may argue that the plots are of variable quality (ie some of the earlier books may arguably have better plots) but you can distinctly see/feel Abnett improving and maturing as a writer across the series.
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Thanks PhoebusLeto

 

However, I did reread the entire GG and related Sabbat Crusade books over the summer in anticipation.

 

Sounds like a project I'll have to do some time soon.

 

I'm not sure what I was expecting going into The Warmaster, but I guess I didn't get it.

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At least for me *The Warmaster* was incredible not because of the overall quality of the narrative, which suffers a little due to the reliance on *Anarch* for resolution, but for the 'oh my god did that just really happen' and the 'I've been waiting years to see this' moments. Those chapters drove me towards the finish.
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The way it's been written over so many years limits its impact up front, but I think when it's concluded the *Victory Arc* will be viewed as perhaps the best arc, or at least the most cohesive, in the series.

Edited by cheywood, 14 December 2017 - 04:25 PM.

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Finished the book tonight, and really enjoyed it.

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There was a saying in the Time War.
The First thing you notice about the Doctor of War is that he is unarmed.

For many, it's also the last.


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I really get why Straight Silver is one of the least popular GG books, but I'm always confused by people not liking Blood Pact, which is hands-down my favourite book in the series. I really love the way Abnett writes Chaos, though, so maybe that has something to do with it.

 

Anyway, I finished The Warmaster, and I liked it, I thought it was worth the wait. I wasn't just being flippant about Anarch being "part 2", though - while I understand this arc is a 4-book whole, this absolutely feels like "Urdesh pt.I". That's not a bad thing, but it's something to be aware of going in, I think. It's far and away the least self-contained book so far, seeing as how a lot of its big plot threads are cliffhangers.

 

Anyway, I'm not sure how much the pre-Urdesh part of the book has been discussed, but that's way up there with my favourite battles in the whole series. I'm generally starved for good ship-related content in 40k novels. (Props to the related short Killbox for establishing that the Armaduke has enormous heat sinks, which has finally ameliorated my years-long disgruntlement over that one description of a ship running its conduits onto the outside of the hull to cool them via contact with space)

 

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It came with the nightfall

The dark that swallowed the stars
One by one, it painted them black
And brought horror to our hearts


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Just finished The Warmaster and... Whoah! Not going to post any spoilers as others have already (glad I avoided them) but I will say... Virtually nobody in the GG series has plot armour! There are a few things Abnett did with this book that just made me go "no way you cannot be serious, how can you you awful feth!"

Personally I thought it was a great book not one of the best (see above) but certainly top half of the list. It does suffer from being very clearly the first half of a tight duology (yes it is part of a quadrilogy arc but the other two were a bit more self contained than this so I think Anarch is clearly going to be Urdesh part 2).

Not saying I am clever or anything but also worked out what he intends to do (I might be wrong) in Anarch (in terms of main plot and one sub plot) and if I am right then again "Dan Abnett you glorious feth, how can you, that is just so awful for character XXXXX!"

So nice to have GG back. Hope Anarch is less than a years wait seeing as Abnett is already writing it.

Edited by DukeLeto69, 18 December 2017 - 05:17 PM.

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I finished listening to The Warmaster last night. I solidly enjoyed about a third of it, mostly from the beginning, the end, and the high command politicking in between. But the rest of it really dragged for me and at the moment I think The Victory is the worst Ghosts Arc. After reading Blood Pact and Salvation's Reach, I though Gaunt's Ghosts would have been better ending with Only in Death, which I consider to be the series high note. The Warmaster hasn't changed my opinion. I'm hoping The Anarch proves me wrong, but I'm not holding my breath either.

I wouldn't recommend The Warmaster, but if you've read the series this far and can pick it up for cheap, it's okay, and it isn't the worst four dollars I've ever spent.

So here I am, 14 Chapters into Salvations Reach, enjoying the absolute hell out it and wondering why I have never touched this series before... wait, I'm a notoriously slow reader and have very little spare time! Regardless though I have just added The Founding Omnibus to my Christmas wish list, you're never too old for a Christmas list after all! I'm somehow going to make time to get up to speed on this series and hope that the back stories are all given the Audio treatment at some point soon.

If you prefer YouTube videos, A Border Prince has an ongoing series on the Sabbat Worlds Crusade. So far he's covered the background books, FIrst and Only, and Ghostmaker. If you want to start from the very beginning, I'd recommend skipping to Necropolis (third book) and working from there. I'll second your wish for getting the rest of the series on audible.

I'm a sad little panda no one made a spoiltastic post about the novel :(.


I'll try to oblige.
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Things I liked.
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Things I didn't like
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Any Sons of Sek screentime ? How are they portrayed ?
 
Do we also get some new info on Sek himself ?
 
How goes the war on Urdesh ?


IIRC,

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Edited by Chiwie, 20 December 2017 - 02:14 AM.


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I'm interested in hearing what you think is going to happen in The Anarch. I'm banking on rf,ed.



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Forgive me of my ignorance but is GG set in the 30k universe? I don't know why but I thought it was 40k.


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Forgive me of my ignorance but is GG set in the 30k universe? I don't know why but I thought it was 40k.


It's 40k, but in the past of 40k. It's set in the mid to late 700's of M41 (if I'm remembering right) whereas the setting's currently roughly 400 years past that point. It's pretty standard for Abnett. His Inquisition works are all set a few hundred years before Gaunt's Ghosts for instance. Provides a convenient way of telling a conclusive story without having to worry about what's going on in the setting at large. Not sure if that was Abnett's decision or GW editorial policy back in the late 90's and early 2000's. It's a relatively more recent change to explore the core of the setting instead of creating stories on the comparative margins of the universe I think.

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The Gaunt's Ghosts series starts around 765.M41, though the prequel stories stretch back to the 750s.

 

KingHongKong,

 

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