GK new errata, GW are you kidding me?

[Danarc]

I saw that GK made a new errata for GK codex, but the only change is the wording of a stratagem that still continues to work as it worked previously.

I'm feel a little teased.

[Gentlemanloser]

I feel a little trolled

 

FTFY

[Sn4k30r]

Someone wrote on FB page that with this you can get a benefit against the new stratagem of Tyranids the Deepest shadow : Use this Stratagem when an enemy PSYKER attempts to

manifest a psychic power within 24" of a KRONOS unit

from your army. Your opponent can only roll a single dice

for the Psychic test.    

 

Now we roll an extra D6 instead of rolling 3d6 vs this we would normally roll 1 dice now we roll 1+1 there is a little on this...

[Mr. Shine]

The reason it was released alongside the Tyranids FAQ is because it is in direct response to the Tyranids Stratagem, "The Deepest Shadow".

 

As it was, the argument was that using the Sequencing rule it didn't matter which was determined to go first, as the The Deepest Shadow would still effectively trump because either it would be activated second and nullify Psychic Channeling, or it would be activated first and Psychic Channeling could not apply because it was 3D6 instead of 2D6 when you only had a single D6.

 

So a minor, situational buff. Ho hum.

[Gentlemanloser]

Not a buff. The nid strat still cuss us.

 

Nids strat forces you to roll 1 die.

 

Our one now adds an additional die but forces us to discard the lowest.

 

So we still only roll 1d6 for our test. But get two chances to roll high.

 

It's still a nasty nid strat.

Edited December 4, 2017 by Gentlemanloser

[Ichar]

No they aren’t kidding you. They are trolling all of us. And the “Grey Knight” faq was only updated to help clarify battles against Tyranids. Who will smash our faces in both psychic and hand to hand. So what’s the point?

[Mr. Shine]

Not a buff. The nid strat still cuss us.

 

Nids strat forces you to roll 1 die.

 

Our one now adds an additional die but forces us to discard the lowest.

 

So we still only roll 1d6 for our test. But get two chances to roll high.

 

It's still a nasty nid strat.

 

I don't disagree the The Deepest Shadow is a nasty Stratagem, but that's like saying Psychic Channeling only rolls 2D6 for the test because you discard the lowest...

[Gentlemanloser]

Point is with the nid strat we can only roll a maximum of a 6. With or with using ours.

 

Our strat just gives us a second chance at rolling high.

 

We're better off not using psychic chanelling.

 

And saving 1CP to reroll the single 1d6 if we roll low.

 

Because GW extensively balanced 8th edition and have a great understanding of how the GWs work...

 

Edit. Vortex is always doomed to fail the moment nids play that strat.

 

Everything else is 5 or 6.

 

So you roll 1d6. Get the needed 5 or 6? Great.

 

If not reroll.

 

You cannot possible peril and there is no downside to rolling lower than your original roll. As you have already failed.

 

It is strictly always better to never use pc verus this nid strat.

 

Always...

Edited December 4, 2017 by Gentlemanloser

[Mr. Shine]

Unless you've already used the re-roll stratagem that phase.

Again, a minor, situational buff.

[Gentlemanloser]

How is it a buff, when with the old wording you could use the sequencing rules to apply deepening shadows first then pc?

 

Sure that might result in a dice off if your opponent says pc doesn't work as it states 3d6 instead of 2d6 and you now only roll 1d6 so can't use it.

 

But otherwise the old pc is far superior to the new one.

[Cryptix]

No, what the FAQ is saying is that that earlier understanding was wrong, you always only roll 1 dice against deepest shadow. What the GK FAQ says is that now you have a two dice drop one counter to it.

[Mr. Shine]

How is it a buff, when with the old wording you could use the sequencing rules to apply deepening shadows first then pc?

 

Sure that might result in a dice off if your opponent says pc doesn't work as it states 3d6 instead of 2d6 and you now only roll 1d6 so can't use it.

 

But otherwise the old pc is far superior to the new one.

 

The argument against that was that the previous wording of Psychic Channeling was that you would roll "three dice instead of two". If The Deepest Shadow goes first you're rolling "only one dice", and therefore do not have two dice instead of which to roll three.

 

And of course if Psychic Channeling goes first you end up with only one regardless, as The Deepest Shadow is only a single dice regardless, with no "instead of" modifier

[Kuellet]

pc add d6 and discard lowest result so versus deepest shadow we can get only 1d6 right?

[Gentlemanloser]

No, what the FAQ is saying is that that earlier understanding was wrong, you always only roll 1 dice against deepest shadow. What the GK FAQ says is that now you have a two dice drop one counter to it.

And PC is worthless.

 

Save the 1cp for a reroll instead.

 

Incase you don't roll a 5/6.

[Mr. Shine]

And PC is worthless.

 

Save the 1cp for a reroll instead.

 

Incase you don't roll a 5/6.

Why do you say Psychic Channeling is worthless and Command Re-roll is the better choice?

[Gentlemanloser]

Edit. Vortex is always doomed to fail the moment nids play that strat.

 

Everything else is 5 or 6.

 

So you roll 1d6. Get the needed 5 or 6? Great.

 

If not reroll.

 

You cannot possible peril and there is no downside to rolling lower than your original roll. As you have already failed.

 

It is strictly always better to never use pc verus this nid strat.

 

Always...

Apart from the niche case where your not casting Vortex and you've already used your command reroll that psychic phase...

 

 

Where as using PC before you roll can lead to the case of a wasted CP if you roll 2 4's or above as required.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Gentlemanloser

[Capt. Mytre]

 

And PC is worthless.

 

Save the 1cp for a reroll instead.

 

Incase you don't roll a 5/6.

Why do you say Psychic Channeling is worthless and Command Re-roll is the better choice?

 

 

Because you use it before you roll, where as you can use the re-roll retroactively. You could use them together, but GK don't have the CP to spare. Even for psychic channelling in the regular sense, it often doesn't make sense to use 1/6th of your CP to get off a single power.

[Gentlemanloser]

And the best power to use PC on, Vortex, auto fails with the nid strat. Regardless of PC use or not.

 

So he looks on eagerly for you to use your one cast of Vortex and pops Deepening Shadows.

 

Hopefully he's also not the fleet that turns failed casts into d3 mortal wounds as well...

 

And you know, Shadows of the warp to negate our Chapter Tactics on casts.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Gentlemanloser

[Reclusiarch Darius]

Yeah :( I can honestly say they managed to successfully bait me. I thought they'd at least touch Purifiers. 

 

It's so stupid. Why bother telling us we have an 'updated' FAQ when they literally clarify the wording of a strategem we barely use? 

[Corvus Fortis]

I just realised that Terminator's cost drop is the first and only errata that doesn't nerf us so far.

[Capt. Mytre]

I just realised that Terminator's cost drop is the first and only errata that doesn't nerf us so far.

 

The only reason we got it was because every other terminator armoured model got a price drop, so they dropped our regular terminators - but then didn't care enough to reduce the cost on other terminator armoured models in our army that are way over costed - eg, Librarians.

 

They probably have a universal "Terminator Armour" cost that they just tack on each model when they give it terminator armour.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Capt. Mytre

[Corvus Fortis]

Why didn't they change our Librarians too then? Or Plasma Cannons?

[Capt. Mytre]

Why didn't they change our Librarians too then? Or Plasma Cannons?

 

They couldn't be bothered with properly going through our codex and just happened to update ours because they updated other terminators. Same reason why the points drop for terminators wasn't enough (should at least have been 35 points).

[Holier Than Thou]

Why didn't they change our Librarians too then? Or Plasma Cannons?

Because, like everything Grey Knight-related Games Workshop does, it was a half-arsed effort with no thought put into it whatsoever.

[Prot]

Guys let's please steer this away from directly hammering GW. It's fine if you want to complain, or debate the worth of how they handled GK, but it's a slippery slope once we start just accusing them of 'half arsing it' and 'no thought'.

 

I know it's difficult at this point to not just wave our collective hands in the air and curse at GW. There's just more constructive ways to handle this.

 

We have to be mindful of new people entering the forum. I would love to see you guys put this kind of effort into communicating with GW, either through email or Facebook. In my experience that is literally the ONLY way to affect change. Griping here really doesn't actually resolve anything aside from letting you blow off steam (which isn't the goal of the forum).

 

I think there's a lot of leeway in that area already. We have champions of complainers here, that often border on degrading the GK forum into a hate fest. I have the complaints/reports to prove it.

 

I do sympathize with the difficulties GW have thrown us so early in 8th. Please be more mindful of the level of critisizm that can make your post go from thoughtful, and logical to hateful and just pure negativity.

 

I'm going to start pruning posts that really have no content other than citing GW as the devil.