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Me and other guys from the Italian Black Templars community, are working to realize some kind of letter, petition, to send to GW , asking for some more attentions for our Templars, attentions that we suppose could be realized easily, without too much effort, through some new relics, stratagems to recreate our vows and give back some love to our black guys.

 

 

Today, right now, only an italian prototype of the letter is ready, waiting for the job of our translators.

 

What we need is your support, the support of all our brothers to try to do something, to make our voice heard !

 

 

 

Stay tuned brothers!

 

 

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HERE THE LINK FOR THE PETITION >>>> https://www.change.o...r_starters_page


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I’ve been working on some DIY things for Black Templars if you want to take a look. Sense both Abhor and Accept have been covered we only lack Suffer and Uphold. I can send or link the file if you guys wan to take a look
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I’ve been working on some DIY things for Black Templars if you want to take a look. Sense both Abhor and Accept have been covered we only lack Suffer and Uphold. I can send or link the file if you guys wan to take a look

Why not ?! ;) Let me see !
 

 

BUT a clarification! In this letter We're not going to request for some wish list, or particular request , like point change, or new models !



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Fill in the community survey saying so, if you haven't done already.


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Yet done!

We're also sharing the voice of this thing also in many facebook pages!



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These are the rules I’ve been working on some are still WIP. The ‘Heretic’ Squad and Lance Brothers (Honor Gaurd to SB Veterans).

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Vandire’s Bane; A relic used one of Black Templar Commanders during the Terran Crusade, it is said to have been to breach the palace. The Black Templars claim it was used also during the First Siege of the Emperor’s Palace. Its return during the Terran Crusade, saw it then used to destroy what it had once protected. To cleanse the taint of Vandire from those sacred grounds. – Replace Combi-Melta. Stats. Vandire’s Bane: Master Crafted CombiBolter + 18” Meltagun
Crusader’s Helm – Same
Holy Orb of Anitoch; A blessed relic, only few are made every century by Sisters of Battle, some and are given to the Black Templars to Honor their actions during the Terran Crusade. Of those few the High Marshall personally chooses the Knights who will have the honor of wielding these Holy Weapons – See Watchmaster Artemis Vortex Grenade
Black Shard of Almerich; The Remains of Black Sword wielded by Marshall turned Emperor’s Champion Almerich. As last of the Cadian Crusade he escorted the Primarch Gulliman, one of Dorn’s fellow brothers, to Terra. He did not make it, but help slew Skarbrand one of Khorne’s Mightiest Daemons. The fragments are said to still contain the Bloodthristers rage. – The wielder, during each fight phase gains d3 additional attacks.
Sigismund Chains; Sigismund the First Emperor’s Champion, once called Karn the Betrayer a life-long friend. The chains wielded himself and his brothers are reminders of those former bonds. And to never forget the traitors. The energy of such hate and zeal allows heroes of the chapter who bear Sigismund’s own chains to reject machinations of the warp – see Santic Halo
Banner of Crusade; Normally wielded by the High Marshall personal neophyte or closest brother. It bears the Dornian Heraldry from the Great Crusade, with modified now for Sigismund Sword to go through the center. It is an inspiration for all Black Templars – Replace the Banner wielded by an Ancient with this one. It retains the rules of the regular banner and all any Black Templar unit in its aura has +1 to advance and charge rolls.

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Abhor the Witch – Same
Slayer of Champions: Sigismund the First Emperor’s Champion, live through the Siege of Terra. In Honor of that Legacy, a Black Templar on eve of Battle, takes up the mantle of Sigismund. Seeking out enemy leaders, and rallying their brothers upon a successful duel – 1CP when a Chapter/Company/Emperor’s Champion slays an enemy character. Roll a d3 and gain that many command points.
Crusader’s of Sigismund: Sigismund swore, to never rest, to not stop. Unlike the rapid fanaticism of their former brothers, the World Eaters, Black Templars prod forward ever onward. Not one step back. To this end, during battle the slowly and steadily push on the enemy, giving nor expecting any quarter – 1CP when a unit consolidates during of the fight phase, add an additional 1d3 inches every time it makes a consolidation move.
The Knight to Student: Black Templars learn and fight as Neophytes from mentored Battle Brothers called Initiate. A Black Templar Initiates is often inspired to greater feet’s knowing the future of the chapter is stands behind him and is watching his every move. A Sword Brother, often guides their younger brothers and neophytes to better channel that instinct. – 2CP. Use at the start of the movement phase choose a Black Templar Infantry, or Bike Squad, that contains models with two different armor saves, that unit adds +1 to any to hit or armor save roles it makes until the start of the following turn. If the squad contains a sword brother or lance brother they made do both.

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Unique Units
Conquistador Squad
Sword Brethren
Lance Brethren (Horus Heresy Templar Squad) (WIP)
Durandal Dreadnought
Templar Heretic Squad (WIP)
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Fast Attack: Conquistador Squad. Power Lv5
Initiate Biker
M-14 Ws-3+ Bs-3+ S-4 T-5 W-2 A-1 Ld-7 Sv-3+
Sword Brother Biker
M-14 Ws-3+ Bs-3+ S-4 T-5 W-2 A-2 LD-8 Sv-3+
Neophyte Biker
M-14 Ws-3+ Bs-3+ S-4 T-5 W-2 A-1 LD-6 Sv-4+

The unit contains 3 Initiate Bikers, one may be replaced by a Sword Brother Biker. It may include up to 3 additional Initiate Bikers (Power Rating +4) or up to 5 additional Initiate Bikers (Power Rating +6). It may include up to 2 Neophyte Bikers (Power Rating +2), or it may include up to 4 Neophyte Bikers (Power Rating +4) or up to 8 Neophyte Bikers (Power Rating +8). Each Model is armed with Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krak Grenades. Each of their Space Marine Bike is equipped with a Twin Boltgun.

Options
Sword Brother Biker may replace his Bolt Pistol with an item from the Sergeant Weapon List.
Any Initiate Biker may replace his Bolt Pistol with a Chainsword.
Up to Two Initiate Bikers may replace their Bolt Pistols with an item from the Special Weapon List, a Power Ax, Power Fist, Power Sword or a Power Maul.
Any Neophyte Biker may replace their Bolt Pistol with a Combat Knife, or an Astartes Shotgun.

Abilities
And They Shall Know No Fear
Turbo Boost: When this unit advances, add 6 to its movement characteristic instead of rolling a dice.

Faction Keywords
Black Templars, Imperium, Adeptus Astartes

Keywords
Biker, Conquistador Squad

Points (Does not Include Wargear)
Conquistador Squad: Models Per Unit: 3-16. Points Per Model: 25 (Neophyte Bikers is 23)

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Elite: Sword Brethren. Power Lv3
Sword Brother
M-6 Ws-3+ Bs-3+ S-4 T-4 W-1 A-2 Ld8 Sv3+

This unit contains 3 Sword Brothers. You may include up 2 more (Power Rating +2), 5 more (Power Rating +6) or 7 more (Power Rating +8). Each model is equipped with Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Chainsword, and a Combi-Bolter.

Options
Any Sword Brother may replace his Combi-Bolter with an item the Special Weapon or Melee Weapon List
Any Sword Brother may replace their Chainsword with an item from the Melee Weapon List
Any Sword Brother may take a Combat Shield

Special Rules
Marshall's Household: Start of the game choose one of the below rules
-Eyes and Ears. The Marshall has chosen these warriors because they are able to act independently and sneak behind enemy lines. At the end of your movement phase scouting Sword Brethren Squad may deploy 6" from any table edge but 9" away from the enemy
-Hand and Feat. The Marshall has chosen these warriors because of their prowess in battle, able to match and fight with the best of them. During combat they always strike first. If opponent units have a similar rule or charged, alternate activations. Additionally, may strike an additional time if armed with a melee weapon with an AP of -1 or more.

Command Squad Bodygaurd (See C:SM)

Faction Keywords
Imperium, Adeptus Astartes, Black Templar

Unit Keywords
Sword Brothern, Infantry

Points (Does Not Include Wargear)
Sword Brethren: 3-10 Models Per Unit. 17 Points Per Model


Elite: Lance Brothers
(Heresy Unit)
Lancer Brothers
M-6 Ws-2+ Bs-2+ S-4 T-4 W-2 A-3 Ld8 Sv3+

(Need further thought)

Points (Does not Include Wargear)
Lancer Brethren: 3-10 Models Per Unit. 24 Points Per Model

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Elite Durandal Dreadnought
Durandal Dreadnought
M-8 Ws-3+ Bs-3+ S-6 T-7 W-8 A-5 Ld8 Sv3+

A Durandal Dreadnought is a single combat equipped with two dreadnought close combat weapons and two stormbolters

Wargear Options
May replace one or both Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon for one or two Hurricane Bolters
May replace one Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon with an item from the Dreadnought Heavy Weapon List
May replace one or both of its Storm Bolters each with a Heavy Flamer

Special Rules
Explodes (see Dreadnought C:SM)
Smoke Grenades (see Dreadnought C:SM)
Mighty Crusader: A Durandal Dreadnought if fighting with two dreadnought close combat weapons reroll failed rolls to it, and may add two inches to its charge distance

Faction Keywords
Imperium, Adeptus Astartes, Black Templar

Unit Keywords
Vechicle, Dreadnought, Durandal Dreadnought,

Points (Does Not Include Wargear)
Durandal Dreanought: 1 Models Per Unit. 80 Points a Model
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Elite Templar Heretic Squad (Reivar/Scout) (6 Point)
Templar Heretic
M-14 Ws-3+ Bs-3+ S-4 T-4 W-2 A-2 Ld-7 Sv-3+
Sword Brother Heretic
M-14 Ws-3+ Bs-3+ S-4 T-4 W-1 A-2 LD-8 Sv-3+
Neophyte Heretic
M-14 Ws-3+ Bs-3+ S-4 T-5 W-1 A-1 LD-6 Sv-4+

Basic rules the squad has outflank, and unless Sword Brother is alive does not benefit from Command Points or Auras. The manner of fighting is seen as uncouth or unbefitting.

Edited by Schlitzaf, 05 December 2017 - 05:04 PM.

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I’ll give my support. So is this just a broad request for more attention or do you want suggestions for rules within the request?

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I’ll give my support. So is this just a broad request for more attention or do you want suggestions for rules within the request?

I advised the community. to be ready to send and share the messagge :) We have to be united, if we intend to try to change something.



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Cool, let us know what we should write and Im sure we can muster some good bits to throw at GW. A word of advice just in case but Im sure you're all smart germs and ladies, kindness goes a long way and people are more willing to see your point of view if you aren't going against them, combativeness for the sake of it is worthless for these kinds of things.

 

Whatever happens, good luck! I think this is a great idea and Im glad it gained traction over in the Italian side.


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Schlitzaf I love the idea of bringing back the Horus Heresy Templar Brethren. If you take a look at the 8th edition Horus Heresy fan made rule set, they have a perfect vision of a Templar close combat squad of power sword wielding badasses. 


Edited by SydonianDragoon404, 05 December 2017 - 08:58 PM.


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I’ve never played Horus Heresy and don’t know the Templar Brothern Rules. Which is why they are a work in progress could you msg me their 7th Rules? I’ll take a gander on the FanVision of Templar Brothern in 8th edition on Horus Heresy forums as well. And thanks, also if you could to avoid derailing Varg thread, could you tell me what you think of these units?
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Im waiting for orders, What to do:).
When the tome come, post some clues What you want to be done.
We have Probably biggest And strongest community And we can make huge Feedback:)

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not trying to burst bubbles or anything... but imho, there is so much else that needs more attention now than getting our own BT book... I'm all for getting our own Codex, or model range or what not, but tbh, we also have so much going for us already that asking for more feels more like just being treated specially... Sororitas for example don't even have plastic models that they need so badly, Orks don't have models for every entry in their Codex, Slaanesh Marines are the only ones left out of the Chaos Pantheon and there are still so many people waiting for modular plastic Steel Legion, Valhallan, Mordian and Vostroyan Guard models... we don't even have any female imperial Guard parts available and in W40k: Space Marines the game, there was a female lieutenant in the Astra Militarum... where's her model when TItus, Leandros and Sidonus immediately got theirs in the Sternguard box set?

 

Crying for more Marine stuff, when Marine stuff just had a plethora of Marine stuff just feel petty and imposing for me, especially when BA, DA and SW are just coming out... yeah a few tweak in the rules should be done, but it should be more of a general tweak in all the rulesets, rather than making just the Templars the special snowflakes once again by adding and imposing new rules to the game designers...

 

I don't know... Templars shouldn't be treated like Ultramarines...


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'No matter the laurels of victory, no matter the glories others may seek. We are Space Marines, the Adeptus Astartes, the Angels of Death! And more than this.' he said, his voice dropping quiet. 

'We are Black Templars. Victory is its own reward.' - High Marshal Helbrecht - 'The Crusader' - Crusade to the Ghoul Stars -

 

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The Vengeance Crusade Thread


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I'm mostly with Roujakis here. He makes a valid claim about factions' needs in a broader perspective. Also, I had had my hopes up high too many times now and my enthusiasm has expired.

 

I also believe that the Black Templars are easily fixable on less than one page of a Codex or Chapter Approved book. In my opinion, we're okay with available units, we just need "better" point values and "better" Chapter-specific rules: a boost to close combat and basic magic protection.

 

Having said that, I will join any community endeavour.



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I agree with both of Roujakis and Christopher, the army has not been this good in years and all we need to be good are Vows to boost our damage output and turn generic units into close combat units, we really dont need as much as we once did. Also an updated upgrade kit!.
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First of all : Nice to see the support of my brothers and also reply and critics of  older player so thanks to all of you !

 

 

In my opinion what i'm seeing :  some appropriate critics, impressions and by other side the effective wish for some upgrade to the rule, that seems no one disdain.

 

 

By the way I also understand the vision of Marshal Roujakis, but me and other many playter think that try can't hurt smile.png And i intended to be clear : we're not so selfish ... a codex is too much really, but one page of a pdf could be enough!

 

In any case, i think exactly like you all : Black templars don't need excessive changes, but for example the return of the Vows ( as stratagems for example ! ) would be amazing! And absolutely a good start! 

 

Talin about, points  reductions, or new models / kit ... i'm of the idea that isn't possible right now. Chapter approved is "fresh", new of this days! In my opinion, new models would require too much effort, and money for GW...

 

But again, some little things, could be very very helpful to give back a little shine to Black Templars, without change points, without the need of create new units!

 

- 3-4 stragems : Vows.

- The return of 2-3 Relics for our only, true, real Codex.

- Some kind of sense to play a crusader squad over vanguard veteran squad.


Edited by varg_vikernes, 06 December 2017 - 12:41 PM.

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Varg, as an aside assuming you take a tide squad, our Crusader Squad Point for Point is as efficient as a Vangaurd Squad. We both pay about 4ish points for per an attack. 6pts for a melee attack (unless Vang is Double Chain).

Also serious question, Vow wise what do you want?
-Abhor Covered
-Accepted Functionally Covered
-Uphold - Missing
-Suffer Kinda Covered by Helbrect

Suffer and Uphold only two to be found lacking. Suffer would overlap with Blood Angels and Uphold....how do we adapt this? Sense 6+ IV saves are marginal.

I know we love our vows but mechanically there isn’t a good way we can adapt them. Accept could only be adapted with +1 to Hit. Abhor we have. Suffer and Uphold stratagem +1 STR?

The issue of Sword Brothern and Durandal aside. I’d first want to get Biker Squad of our Crusader Squad and a stratagem that promotes Squads of mixed armor saves and a more attrition style warfare. Also Biker Crusader give us two (three count Devies with Cherub) targets for such a stratagem. And as such favor more flavorful army builds.

The second stratagem would be if an Champion character kills an enemy gain D3 or D3+1 Command Point. To promote our Champion usage once more. And maybe bump him up a couple points give him a Castallen (or Chaos Exalted Champion) Aura for Melee.

-Additional Consolidation, allows for more of our boys to get into grips with the enemy for our larger squad.
-Strategem triggering off mixed saves giving +Sv/Hit (or additional attack), helps somewhat future proof it. And allows adaption of both Uphold and Accept.

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Words mechanically the vows have no good method of simple adaption in 8th edition given other auras beside Abhor which did get an adaption. Instead we should focus on using stratagems by trying to highlight army mechanical identity and our iconic units.

I said this in the past but I believe from GW prospective we suffer highly from being Black Colored BA.
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So I'm confused on what exactly we're doing here. Are we all sending GW a letter/email all at once, and sending them the same message? Are we doing a facebook raid? Both? I get that there's a letter being drafted, but what exactly the rest of us are doing isn't clear. 



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WAIT for our vows I just had an eureka moment, make it a stratagem and/or part of our Tactics

“If your army includes a (character) with Champion Keyword (Company’s, Emperor, and Chapter). Choose one of the following
All BT Units have 6+ IV
All BT Unit reroll 1 to Hit in Melee
All BT Character Units may deny if Pysker
All BT Units reroll failed wound in Melee”
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WAIT for our vows I just had an eureka moment, make it a stratagem and/or part of our Tactics

“If your army includes a (character) with Champion Keyword (Company’s, Emperor, and Chapter). Choose one of the following
All BT Units have 6+ IV
All BT Unit reroll 1 to Hit in Melee
All BT Character Units may deny if Pysker
All BT Units reroll failed wound in Melee”

 

1st one changed in 7th ed. as a 5+ FnP roll when around Cenobyte Servitors, you could just turn it into that... a 5+ FnP instead of an Inv. Save...

2nd one makes Chaplains, Captains and Lieutenants redundant, especially if you only have 1 melee squad backed up by a Character...

All psychic powers being denied every turn would pretty much just negate psychic armies... last I checked Templars had an unbreakable will, not pariah genes...

Why did the +1 Str changed into a reroll to Wound?

 

Also, only the Emperor's Champion can call on a vow if you're following the 4th ed. Codex pattern... Co. Champion and Chapter Champion are completely different types of Champion and their position is more of a verification of their skills rather than appointment of holiness from a vision of the Emperor himself...

 

If there's going to be a limiter for the "vows" that require a character, it can't be anyone else besides maybe Helbrecht and the Emperor's Champion himself...

 

Then again, I'd prefer it if the Champion's niche isn't really buffing the army, but stays as a Character Hunter... so the vows could just be a Strategem that you have to pay for at the cost of CPs at the start of the game, that requires no restriction whatsoever... similar to Chapter Master or Relics of the Chapter... they just become a permanent thing for the entire army...

 

Also:

Black Templar Strategems

  • Accept Any Challenge, No Matter the Odds (2CP) - used before the the first turn begins. Select a unit with the Infantry, BIker or Dreadnought keyword in your army, that units has now a WS value of 2+ for the entire game, in addition the selected unit can consolidate an additional D3" during the Assault Phase.
  • Suffer Not the Unclean to Live (2CP) - used at the start of the Assault Phase. Select a unit with the Infantry, Biker or Dreadnought keyword in your army, the selected unit cannot strike first even if they charged into combat, but all attacks by that unit will only need a 2+ to Wound, regardless of the units strength or their targets toughness.
  • Abhor The Witch, Destroy the Witch (1CP) - used during the Psychic phase. When an enemy psyker manifests a psychic power within 24" of a Templar unit. On a roll of 4+ the power doesn't manifest.
  • Uphold the Honour of the Emperor (1CP) - used at any enemy phase. Select a Unit with the Black Templars keyword, that unit now has a 5+ Save against any mortal wounds caused during that phase.

This is my take on the vows... I'd like them to be in the Chapter Tactics, but it gets really messy if you have to just pick 1 tactic out of 4, and if you have to have a character to get them and then you'd have to balance this with Chapter Masters or Lieutenants, and make sure you keep Special Unique Characters non-redundant and still useful... so here is the best that I could come up with...


'No matter the laurels of victory, no matter the glories others may seek. We are Space Marines, the Adeptus Astartes, the Angels of Death! And more than this.' he said, his voice dropping quiet. 

'We are Black Templars. Victory is its own reward.' - High Marshal Helbrecht - 'The Crusader' - Crusade to the Ghoul Stars -

 

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The Vengeance Crusade Thread


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So I'm confused on what exactly we're doing here. Are we all sending GW a letter/email all at once, and sending them the same message? Are we doing a facebook raid? Both? I get that there's a letter being drafted, but what exactly the rest of us are doing isn't clear. 

My guilt brother...

 

The idea is to realize a letter, a petition to make our voice heard and send it all together to GW email. This.



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WAIT for our vows I just had an eureka moment, make it a stratagem and/or part of our Tactics

“If your army includes a (character) with Champion Keyword (Company’s, Emperor, and Chapter). Choose one of the following
All BT Units have 6+ IV
All BT Unit reroll 1 to Hit in Melee
All BT Character Units may deny if Pysker
All BT Units reroll failed wound in Melee”

 

I really appreciate your zeal, your will bro', and i love your ideas, but please, slow down smile.png

I start from the presupposition that less we ask, more we can obtain. So really, we will not send some wish list, but simply a request for " Some love ", and we will try make GW think about the fact that there are a looooot of BT players ( $ $ $ ) and with a minimum effort they could really obtain Money for them, and happiness ( a lot of happiness ) for the players!


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Marshal Rou, I agree and disagree. We all remember how every fighting company had an EC back in the day. The current Emperor’s Champion represent the Emperor’s Champion. His Champion.

However the vows were the fact the Emperor’s Champion leading his brothers in a communal prayer before battle. That communal prayer gave the Black Templars special abilities as the Emperor imbued his powers.

While only 1 Battle Brother across the Chapter will be given the visions that mark him that would empower him in strength. Any Champion could recite the vows and lead their brothers into battle against the enemy.

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Fair point. Varg. But I think the issue GW has with showing us love. Is they don’t know how or even our chapters mechanical in-game identity or more precisely how we differ from Blood Angels. Which is any petition of ours needs to show and explain how we are different.

Hence my usage of my Conquistador Squad DIY, it ties into an identity establisbed and maintained in Crusader Squad (Scout + Marine) mix. If we want love what we need is to help GW show that we are not Vanilla Angels but a faction with our mechanical identity.
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Marshal Rou, I agree and disagree. We all remember how every fighting company had an EC back in the day. The current Emperor’s Champion represent the Emperor’s Champion. His Champion.

However the vows were the fact the Emperor’s Champion leading his brothers in a communal prayer before battle. That communal prayer gave the Black Templars special abilities as the Emperor imbued his powers.

While only 1 Battle Brother across the Chapter will be given the visions that mark him that would empower him in strength. Any Champion could recite the vows and lead their brothers into battle against the enemy.

—————
Fair point. Varg. But I think the issue GW has with showing us love. Is they don’t know how or even our chapters mechanical in-game identity or more precisely how we differ from Blood Angels. Which is any petition of ours needs to show and explain how we are different.

Hence my usage of my Conquistador Squad DIY, it ties into an identity establisbed and maintained in Crusader Squad (Scout + Marine) mix. If we want love what we need is to help GW show that we are not Vanilla Angels but a faction with our mechanical identity.

 

sweat.gif  GW has created Black templars, if they want it know exactly what to do. Come on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if they copy - paste blood angels rules for us ( without psyker ! ) for me its ok hahahhhahahah


Edited by varg_vikernes, 06 December 2017 - 05:34 PM.


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Finally guys... 'Ere we go.

 

 

This, the product, the letter.

 

What do you think? Are we ready ? :)

 

 

Ehy Guys from the studio and from the GW team.
The letter that you are now reading has been elaborated by the community of Black Templars players from different part of the world. First of all we would like to thank you for what have you been doing in these last months for the players, for the game of Warhammer 40k and more.
In the last year and a half we have noted a new and positive attitude from your part, introducing some new possibilities, listening even more to our, payers and fans, opinions and inviting us to give suggestion directly on your work, and we are really grateful. If these lines were written, it is precisely because there is hope that you can take them into consideration, read the words of your followers.
Hence, why today should a player choose to play Black Templars? "Because the Emperor call us to the sacred duty of conquering the galaxy in His name". But also because the Black Templars, despite all the cuts to their special rules during the past editions, despite the passing of the years, kept a well-defined identity, thanks also to their recurring presence in several works as: graphic novels, stories of the Black Library, numerous well-known campaigns in the 40k warhammer imaginary. Not to mention their role as a “poster-boy” for space marines in the past. In terms of play it is possible, thanks to their chapter trait, to organize a strategy based on our strengths: the deep strike and the use of special characters.
This is what I would have answered with certainty until a few days ago, even if the comparaison with the other chapters of the Codex Space Marines was already difficult at that time. However, we were able to be, in some cases, superior to them in combat only thanks to our named characters, while continuing to         maintain the classic gaps as our historical lacks (f.e. missing a psychic phase). The Codex Blood Angels has been released these days and in doing so, every reason to play Black Templars has been virtually canceled, excluding the pure and simple love for the background. Red Thirst, Black Rage, some relics (The Veritas Vitae, Standard of Sacrifice), some stratagems (Forlorn Fury, Strike of the Archangels, Upon Wings of Fire, Descent of Angels), the possibility of taking librarians (also Dreadnought, flying) , characters (Lemartes) and more. The strengths of the Black Templars do not stand comparison. I could bore you with every kind of comparison in terms of statistics, percentage or performance but I know that you are perfectly able to make any comparison on your own and I do not want to put the question in mathematical terms only, because it is not just that. Now Black Templars have lost their role: everything in which they excelled now someone else does better. Someone might suggest "then play blood angels", here, this is not an option, not for the proud (and fanatical) Black Templars players, because we do not want to abandon our army, our Background, our heroes. But at the same time we would like to return to make sense as we had editions before and now we have other chapters that, despite not having their own codex, excel in their specialties. The ideas, the proposals could be many, from new stratagems that replace the old wonderful votes, the many exclusive relics of which the Black Templars were equipped, the special rules for the crusader squad and the veterans (vanguard, sternguard, company veterans and terminator) they would certainly help a little, to restore the force lost at the Eternal Crusade and to compensate for the lack of librarians. In addition, the players and all hobbyists agree to be inclined to the most diverse and various options: whether it is a digital supplement, or pdf files, to overdo a supplement even on paper. The already mentioned enthusiasts are ready, willing and literally eager (as also demonstrated in the recent questionnaire) to buy these new hypothetical products and rules, and probably what would result would be an increase in purchases of existing coversion kit, Specials characters set coul be made anew, maybe also Black Templars Sword Brethern?
In conclusion, what the players and hobbyist Black templars ask, is "love for my Templars."
“ There is only the Emperor, and he is our shield and protector.”

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