Solution R_F_D Posted December 28, 2017 Solution Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) Hello all! So with the knowledge I would be getting my grubby little mits on a copy of the Warmaster for Christmas I decided to embark on a read through of the whole Sabbat World Crusade, I am currently ploughing through Honour Guard. With the exception of a couple of stories from the Sabbat Worlds and Sabbat Crusade collections I have managed to piece together a chronological reading order (using Dan's forewords to the LE versions of books 1-3 and stories in both collections as well as the Sabbat World Crusade background book). Thought it might be useful for people who may want to do something similar, although it would be great to put the missing shorts in to the order as well - I don't think there is anything like this on here? If there are any inaccuracies please let me know and I'll amend the order. @DukeLeto69 I think you've done something similar over at the Bolthole but not sure if it was in one collated post. One last thing, as above I haven't read Warmaster yet so for the love of all that you hold fething dearly; no spoilers please! The Fissure - 251.M41 (Sabbat Crusade) A Ghost Return - 755.M41 (SC) The Headstone and the Hammerstone Kings - 757.M41 (SW) The Inheritor King - 757.M41 (SC) Regicide – 765.M41 (Sabbat World) First and Only - 767.M41 Ghostmaker - 768.M41 Of Their Lives in the Ruins of Their Cities - 768.M41 (Sabbat World) [set on Voltemand, immediately after chapter 2 of Ghostmaker] Necropolis - 769.M41 In Remembrance – 769.M41 (included in Necropolis LE) A Good Man – 769.M41 (SW) Honour Guard – 770-771.M41 The Guns of Tanith – 772.M41 Straight Silver – 772.M41 Double Eagle – 773.M41 Apostle’s Creed – 773.M41 (SW) Sabbat Martyr – 773.M41 Traitor General – 774.M41 Blueblood – 774.M41 (SW) Tempest – 775.M41 (SC) His Last Command – 776.M41 Armour of Contempt – 777.M41 Son of Sek – 777.M41 (SC) Only in Death – 778.M41 The Iron Star – 778.M41 (SW) Titanicus – 779.M41 Blood Pact – 780.M41 Salvations Reach – 781.M41 Family – 782.M41 (SC) Viduity – 782.M41 (SC) You Never Know – 782.M41 (SC) Ghosts and Bad Shadows – 782.M41 (SC) Forgotten – 782.M41 [don't think this has been published anywhere else other than the BL website] Killbox - 782.M41 [bL website & Warmaster LE] The Blood Bound – 782.M41 (SC) The Deeper Wounds – 782.M41 (SC) Arnogaur – 782.M41 (SC) Warmaster Urdesh – forthcoming Space Marine battles book (or equivalent) by Matthew Farrer Anarch - being written now! That leaves one story left to place by my reckoning: Cell by Nik Vincent in Sabbat Crusade – set on a world similar to Geron and features similar concepts as those in Traitor General.If there are any that I missed, please let me know. Cheers, RFD **Edit** updated list to include Killbox and place the Matt Farrer stories in order,. ***Edit*** switched Family and Viduity round to be accurate narratively speaking. Edited January 24, 2018 by R_F_D roryokane, Tolmeus, Ranwulf and 7 others 9 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto69 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Nice list! Thanks for shout out. Mine only focused on Abnett written stories so yours is more comprehensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMac Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Nothing to add but great list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockagh Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Superb list indeed I’ve copied it to my notes for reference! I have to admit I broke last night and bought the box set for a reread of the opening salvo. Have started warmaster and loving it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Hello all! So with the knowledge I would be getting my grubby little mits on a copy of the Warmaster for Christmas I decided to embark on a read through of the whole Sabbat World Crusade, I am currently ploughing through Honour Guard. With the exception of a couple of stories from the Sabbat Worlds and Sabbat Crusade collections I have managed to piece together a chronological reading order (using Dan's forewords to the LE versions of books 1-3 and stories in both collections as well as the Sabbat World Crusade background book). Thought it might be useful for people who may want to do something similar, although it would be great to put the missing shorts in to the order as well - I don't think there is anything like this on here? If there are any inaccuracies please let me know and I'll amend the order. @DukeLeto69 I think you've done something similar over at the Bolthole but not sure if it was in one collated post. One last thing, as above I haven't read Warmaster yet so for the love of all that you hold fething dearly; no spoilers please! The Fissure - 251.M41 (Sabbat Crusade) A Ghost Return - 755.M41 (SC) Regicide – 765.M41 (Sabbat World) First and Only - 767.M41 Ghostmaker - 768.M41 Of Their Lives in the Ruins of Their Cities - 768.M41 (Sabbat World) [set on Voltemand, immediately after chapter 2 of Ghostmaker] Necropolis - 769.M41 In Remembrance – 769.M41 (included in Necropolis LE) A Good Man – 769.M41 (SW) Honour Guard – 770-771.M41 The Guns of Tanith – 772.M41 Straight Silver – 772.M41 Double Eagle – 773.M41 Apostle’s Creed – 773.M41 (SW) Sabbat Martyr – 773.M41 Traitor General – 774.M41 Blueblood – 774.M41 (SW) Tempest – 775.M41 (SC) His Last Command – 776.M41 Armour of Contempt – 777.M41 Son of Sek – 777.M41 (SC) Only in Death – 778.M41 The Iron Star – 778.M41 (SW) Titanicus – 779.M41 Blood Pact – 780.M41 The Blood Bound – 782.M41 (SC) Salvations Reach – 782.M41 Viduity – 782.M41 (SC) Family – 782.M41 (SC) You Never Know – 782.M41 (SC) Ghosts and Bad Shadows – 782.M41 (SC) Forgotten – 782.M41 [don't think this has been published anywhere else other than the BL website] The Deeper Wounds – 782.M41 (SC) Arnogaur – 782.M41 (SC) Warmaster Urdesh – forthcoming Space Marine battles book (or equivalent) by Matthew Farrer Anarch - being written now! That leaves three stories by my reckoning: Cell by Nik Vincent in Sabbat Crusade – set on a world similar to Geron and features similar concepts as those in Traitor General. The Headstone and the Hammerstone Kings (SW) & The Inheritor King (SC) by Matthew Farrer – these deal with the machines created by Heritor Asphodel so I am assuming they are after Necropolois. If there are any that I missed, please let me know. Cheers, RFD The only thing I would change is Ghostmaker, which for 'correct' chronology you need to split up. It's really 765 to 767/8 - it's up to you where you put First and Only within it, but perhaps just before Voltemand? Also I thought Salvation's Reach is 781. I had the main books as: 755 - Opening of the crusade 765 – Balhaut 765 – Ghostmaker, early 765/6 – First and Only 767 – Ghostmaker/Monthax chapters 769 – Necropolis 770 – Honour Guard 771, late – Guns of Tanith 772 – Straight Silver 773 – Double Eagle; Sabbat Martyr 774 – Traitor General 776 – His Last Command 777 – The Armour of Contempt 778 – Only in Death 780 – Blood Pact 781 – Salvation’s Reach [REDACTED] – The Warmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 @Petitioner's City thanks! Corrected Salvation's Reach, was going on the Sabbat Crusade shorts as opposed to the novel. With regards to First & Only and Ghostmaker, I did toy with the idea of trying to break them up into their relevant appropriate sections but I thought it would be too much of a hassle. The only exception to that would be "Of Their Lives in the Ruins of Their Cities" which is described as a novella in the Ghostmaker LE. Given it is about Gaunt struggling as the new commander of the Ghosts I think it makes sense to read it as an additional chapter to Ghostmaker as by the end; he isn't struggling any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.crusader Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 What about Killbox, short story released recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted December 29, 2017 Author Share Posted December 29, 2017 What about Killbox, short story released recently? Good point, well made! It's set after Salvations Reach on the ship? I've yet to read it as it's in my copy of Warmaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineswords Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 What about Killbox, short story released recently? Good point, well made! It's set after Salvations Reach on the ship? I've yet to read it as it's in my copy of Warmaster. It's set three weeks after Salvation's Reach, which would make it go under entry 32 perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogun Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Great list! I think the Headstone and Hammerstone Kings could potentially be earlier than Necropolis. I think it was set on a world mentioned in the Sabbat Worlds campaign book which was an early warzone between the Heritor's woemachines and the crusade. I don't have access to either right now, alas, but it might be worth checking for hints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmablasts Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Great list! I think the Headstone and Hammerstone Kings could potentially be earlier than Necropolis. I think it was set on a world mentioned in the Sabbat Worlds campaign book which was an early warzone between the Heritor's woemachines and the crusade. I don't have access to either right now, alas, but it might be worth checking for hints. Ashek. Haven’t got the campaign book here, so can’t correlate with that. From a cursory skim-read, this seems to be set in the early (but probably immediate) aftermath of the Imperial re-conquest. Was Asphodel killed in Necropolis ? If so, then I suspect Headstone pre-dates it. Ogun 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 (edited) @Ogun & @Plasmablasts you're both right, the world is Ashek II. Ashek II is before Balhaut, in the section "The Bloody Path to Balhaut, 756-764". Aspghodel was killed in Necropolois although we don;t see his death, all we know is that the Imperial Fists burn his corpse. Ashek II (756-757) suggests that there was high level Adeptus Mechanicus involvement as it was intimated by Slaydo that Heritor Asphodel, may the Emperor damn his name, had links with the Adeptus Mechanicus. So it could be that the Adeptus Mechanicus recovered a lot more tech due to their involvement. However, given how large Balhuat was it is inconceivable to me that they wouldn't have had a similarly large presence there. I think this calls for a proper read through, will finish Guns of Tanith and then read them. I may also fire off a tweet to Matt Farrer. Edited December 31, 2017 by R_F_D Ogun 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmablasts Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Thanks R_F_D. Oddly misplaced space in your second paragraph... R_F_D 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted December 31, 2017 Author Share Posted December 31, 2017 Teach me to post on my phone. Fixed it, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted January 3, 2018 Author Share Posted January 3, 2018 Matt Farrer confirmed on Twitter that his two stories are from Ashek II. I've updated the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 I wonder how the Sabbat Worlds Crusade is going to connect with the Night of a Thousand Rebellions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R_F_D Posted January 6, 2018 Author Share Posted January 6, 2018 So Night of a Thousand Rebellions is listed as being 992999.M41 on the 40K Lexicanum so that's a good 200+ years from the current point of the books? Unless you're referring to something which happened in Warmaster? If so, I've just reread Guns of Tanith and following Matt's tweet I've gone back and am now reading The Inheritor King so now spoilers please!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animal310 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) I've broken down the chronological order of First and Only and Ghostmaker for those that are interested. I think this is right but as far as I know Dan has never been definitive about it so there may be some errors. The Fissure - 251.M41 Manzipor (First and Only) – 735.M41 Ignatatius Cardinal (First and Only) – 736.M41 Darendara Part 1 (First and Only) – 747.M41 Darendara Part 2 (First and Only) – 747.M41 Gylastus Decimus (First and Only) – 749.M41 Khedd 1173 (First and Only) – 751.M41 Ghost Return – 755.M41 The Headstone and the Hammerstone Kings - 757.M41 The Inheritor King – 757.M41 Epilogue (Blood Pact) – 765.M41 Regicide - 765.M41 Ghostmaker (Ghostmaker) - 765.M41 (Blackshard) A Blooding (Ghostmaker) - 765.M41 (Voltemand) Of Their Lives in the Ruins of Their Cities – 765.M41 (Voltemand) The Vincula Insurgency – 765.M41 (Voltemand) The Hollows of Hell (Ghostmaker) (Caligula) That Hideous Strength (Ghostmaker) (Caligula) Sound and Fury (Ghostmaker) (Ramillies) The Angel of Bucephalon (Ghostmaker) (Bucephalon) Permafrost (Ghostmaker) – 766.M41 (Typhon Eight) Blood Oath (Ghostmaker) (Nacedon) Nubila Reach (First and Only) Fortis Binary Forge World (First and Only) (Fortis Binary) Cracia City, Pyrites (First and Only) (Pyrites) The Empyrean (First and Only) Menazoid Epsilon (First and Only) - 766.M41 (Menazoid Epsilon) A Simple Plan (Ghostmaker) - 768.M41 (Sapiencia) Witch Hunt (Ghostmaker) Some Dark & Secret Purpose (Ghostmaker) (Monthax) Necropolis (Verghast) Edited January 17, 2023 by animal310 Removing unnecessary dates Urauloth, Tolmeus, Felix Antipodes and 3 others 4 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 hours ago, animal310 said: I've broken down the chronological order of First and Only and Ghostmaker for those that are interested. I think this is right but as far as I know Dan has never been definitive about it so there may be some errors. The Fissure - 251.M41 Manzipor (First and Only) – 735.M41 Ignatatius Cardinal (First and Only) – 736.M41 Darendara Part 1 (First and Only) – 747.M41 Darendara Part 2 (First and Only) – 747.M41 Gylastus Decimus (First and Only) – 749.M41 Khedd 1173 (First and Only) – 751.M41 Ghost Return – 755.M41 - 25/05/2021 The Headstone and the Hammerstone Kings - 757.M41 The Inheritor King – 757.M41 Epilogue (Blood Pact) – 765.M41 Regicide - 765.M41 – 03/08/2021 Ghostmaker (Ghostmaker) - 765.M41 (Blackshard) A Blooding (Ghostmaker) - 765.M41 (Voltemand) Of Their Lives in the Ruins of Their Cities – 765.M41 (Voltemand) The Vincula Insurgency – 765.M41 – 07/08/2021 (Voltemand) The Hollows of Hell (Ghostmaker) (Caligula) That Hideous Strength (Ghostmaker) (Caligula) Sound and Fury (Ghostmaker) (Ramillies) The Angel of Bucephalon (Ghostmaker) (Bucephalon) Permafrost (Ghostmaker) – 766.M41 (Typhon Eight) Blood Oath (Ghostmaker) (Nacedon) Nubila Reach (First and Only) Fortis Binary Forge World (First and Only) (Fortis Binary) Cracia City, Pyrites (First and Only) (Pyrites) The Empyrean (First and Only) Menazoid Epsilon (First and Only) - 766.M41 (Menazoid Epsilon) A Simple Plan (Ghostmaker) - 768.M41 (Sapiencia) Witch Hunt (Ghostmaker) Some Dark & Secret Purpose (Ghostmaker) (Monthax) Necropolis (Verghast) Is Anarch still the most recent chronological SWC book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animal310 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 16 hours ago, Moonreaper666 said: Is Anarch still the most recent chronological SWC book? No, there is the anthology Sabbat War, all the stores within it are set after. I believe all of them are, however I have it but have not yet read it. There are two short stories from Dan within it. These are definitely set after Anarch. The main list does need a bit of updating towards the end. I'll have a look when I get a chance. Felix Antipodes 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Would it be ironic if the SWC story ends in a 41st/42nd Millenium Epilogue in which the Alpha Legion's Night of a Thousand Rebellions retakes all those Sabbat worlds in just one night? One of the AL Operatives is Gaunt's descendant? System Sound and cheywood 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheywood Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Moonreaper666 said: Would it be ironic if the SWC story ends in a 41st/42nd Millenium Epilogue in which the Alpha Legion's Night of a Thousand Rebellions retakes all those Sabbat worlds in just one night? One of the AL Operatives is Gaunt's descendant? Moonreaper, I’ve long been uncertain as to whether you’re trolling or just expressing opinions that aren’t grounded in fact. I think it’s pretty clear at this point, with this response if not all the other ones, you’re trolling. This is just too obvious. Edited January 22, 2023 by cheywood SteveAntilles 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 13 hours ago, cheywood said: Moonreaper, I’ve long been uncertain as to whether you’re trolling or just expressing opinions that aren’t grounded in fact. I think it’s pretty clear at this point, with this response if not all the other ones, you’re trolling. This is just too obvious. You don't know about the Night of a Thousand Rebellions? The fact it takes place in Segmentum West? It would make the Alpha Legion be seen as a massive threat and show the true decline of the Imperium with all the sacrifice and progress Macharius and Gaunt did becoming nothing cheywood 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirak Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) On 1/16/2023 at 8:46 PM, animal310 said: I've broken down the chronological order of First and Only and Ghostmaker for those that are interested. I think this is right but as far as I know Dan has never been definitive about it so there may be some errors. The Fissure - 251.M41 Manzipor (First and Only) – 735.M41 Ignatatius Cardinal (First and Only) – 736.M41 Darendara Part 1 (First and Only) – 747.M41 Darendara Part 2 (First and Only) – 747.M41 Gylastus Decimus (First and Only) – 749.M41 Khedd 1173 (First and Only) – 751.M41 Ghost Return – 755.M41 The Headstone and the Hammerstone Kings - 757.M41 The Inheritor King – 757.M41 Epilogue (Blood Pact) – 765.M41 Regicide - 765.M41 Ghostmaker (Ghostmaker) - 765.M41 (Blackshard) A Blooding (Ghostmaker) - 765.M41 (Voltemand) Of Their Lives in the Ruins of Their Cities – 765.M41 (Voltemand) The Vincula Insurgency – 765.M41 (Voltemand) The Hollows of Hell (Ghostmaker) (Caligula) That Hideous Strength (Ghostmaker) (Caligula) Sound and Fury (Ghostmaker) (Ramillies) The Angel of Bucephalon (Ghostmaker) (Bucephalon) Permafrost (Ghostmaker) – 766.M41 (Typhon Eight) Blood Oath (Ghostmaker) (Nacedon) Nubila Reach (First and Only) Fortis Binary Forge World (First and Only) (Fortis Binary) Cracia City, Pyrites (First and Only) (Pyrites) The Empyrean (First and Only) Menazoid Epsilon (First and Only) - 766.M41 (Menazoid Epsilon) A Simple Plan (Ghostmaker) - 768.M41 (Sapiencia) Witch Hunt (Ghostmaker) Some Dark & Secret Purpose (Ghostmaker) (Monthax) Necropolis (Verghast) Based on Abnett's descriptions, short stories "Deep" and "Nineteen-Three Coreward, Resolved" from Sabbat War anthology, take place early in the crusade, but exact placement won't be easy. Edited February 13, 2023 by Mirak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirak Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 3:53 AM, Moonreaper666 said: Is Anarch still the most recent chronological SWC book? On 1/17/2023 at 8:56 PM, animal310 said: No, there is the anthology Sabbat War, all the stores within it are set after. I believe all of them are, however I have it but have not yet read it. There are two short stories from Dan within it. These are definitely set after Anarch. The main list does need a bit of updating towards the end. I'll have a look when I get a chance. I haven't read those short stories yet, but the post Anarch stories should probably go like this: Anarch 792.M41 "Indomitable Spirit" 771-792.M41 (the final part takes place on Urdesh probably during Anarch) "This is What Victory Feels Like (Forever the Same)" 792.M41 (Ghosts - picks up immediately after Anarch) "From There to Here" ? (Ghosts) "Whose Voice is Heard no More" ? (maybe could / should be flipped with "From There to Here" ?) "The Death of the Prophet" 794.M41 Btw. I made my own chronological master list that should be up to date, if someone's interested. Felix Antipodes and Urauloth 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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