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Grotsmashas Challenge 8: Warlords closes, A Victor is Chosen


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As some of you might remember, a few years (years, really? It's been that long...) back I ran a serious of kit-bash challenges, focused around character types, Chaplains, Librarians, Captains, etc. I recently took a trip down memory lane, looking at those Completion threads, only to discover them victims of the 2017 Photobucket purge.

 

I want to fix that with a new series of Challenges. I have two plans to help with that in 2018, so feel free to comment on which plan you prefer.

 

Plan 1.) 3 Challenges 

 

Feb: Warlords

Jun: Psykers

Oct/Nov: Two month Challenge Duels and Dioramas OR 1 model Diorama OR Recreate/Counts-as named Character

 

 

Plan 2.) 4 Challenges

 

Feb: Warlords

May: Psykers

Aug: Recreate/Counts-as named Character

Sep: 1 model Diorama

 

 

For those unfamiliar with my challenges, here are the rules;

 

 

1- The finished model is not to be painted, the conversion should be bare plastic/resin/metal, the small odd painted piece stolen from a previously painted model is OK.


2- Must clearly be identifiable as the Unit it represents, it doesn't need to be codex legal, rule of cool here.


3- Maximum of 25% existing models in Metal/Finecast, and any Plastic Independent/Named Characters:

---25% consists of the following combinations;
--- Head- 0% can be from any existing model
---1x Arm- 12.5%, 2x Arms- 25% either from the same or separate models
---1x Leg- 12.5%, 2x Legs- 25% either from the same or separate models
---Torso- 25%

---25% is per model, you can combine 4 models (or more) if you desire.

---Things like FW's Red Scorpion upgrade pack DO NOT count to the 25% limitation.


4- Green Stuff/Sculpting putty is fine, small details to a full sculpt is acceptable.


5- 1 calendar month build time, February 1st 2018 til March 2nd 2018, this guarantees everyone gets one month.


6- Multiple entries per user.


7- You must declare participation a minimum of 24hrs prior to declaring completion, having said that, I don't mind if you've had a little head start.

 

8- Most importantly, HAVE FUN !!!!!

 

 

 

Due to the addition of Xenos to the B&C (welcome, btw thumbsup.gif) the Challenges will be more inclusive rather than specific to a particular unit type. So, for Warlords, I'll list all of the eligible units for the challenge:

 

Space Marines (Codex, GK, BA, DA, DW, GK, SW)

Captains (all varieties incl. Primaris) (Wolf Lords, Grand Masters, Company Masters, Watch Masters etc)

Lieutenants (all varieties incl. Primaris)

 

 

Forces of the Imperium (Sisters, AdMech, Guard, Agents IoM)

Canoness

Tech Priest Dominus

Commander (all varieties incl. Tank msn-wink.gif )

Tempestor Prime

Inquisitor

 

 

Chaos (Marines, Deamons, DG, TS, TLatD)

Deamon Princes

Greater Deamons (Bloodthirster, Great Unclean One etc)

Chaos Lords

Exalted Champions

 

 

Aeldari (Craftworld, Drukhari, Harlequin)

Autarch

Farseer

Archon

Troupe Master

Death Jester

 

 

Necrontyr

Overlord

Lord

 

 

Orks

Warboss

Big Mek

 

 

T'au

Commander (incl. Battlesuits)

Cadre Fireblade

Ethereal

 

 

Tyranids incl. Genestealer Cults

Hive Tyrant

Swarm Lord

Brood Lord

Patriarch

Primus

 

 

The Age of Darkness

O god there's too many, basically any HQ excl. Librarians, Chaplains, Techmarines and Apothecaries (they'll all probably, maybe get their own challenges).

 

 

 

There is a Participation Banner available now and Faction specific Pips available for the Challenge, as well as Completion, Top 10, and Top 5 banners. I will also choose a Challenge favourite, who will receive a unique Banner and Pip to wear with pride.

 

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If any one has any questions, or would like some clarifications, don't hesitate to ask. So all you need to do is get your bitz orders out, don't leave them to the last minute.

 

Cheers,

Jono


Edited by Grotsmasha, 25 March 2018 - 01:59 PM.

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This looks like lots of fun! Can't say I'll participate since I have so much still to paint, but I encourage everyone else to do so. These are always a good time.



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I'll participate for sure. Gives me a good excuse to make some unique one off models

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This will work well with my Tale of Eight Armies so I would actually be in for this.  So basically, count me in.


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I'll be keen as it sounds fun, I'll change my loyalties this time for the warlord one and do a Black Templar Primaris character as I got an interesting conversion I want to try
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Sisters also have Jacobus and Celestine as Warlords ;)

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Sisters also have Jacobus and Celestine as Warlords msn-wink.gif

 

Named Characters will be a separate challenge....if we make it that far :tu:


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Seems like I should get it, but the 25% rule means that more than 25% of the parts can’t come from a single kit? 0% of the head can come from an existing model... does that mean it has to be scratchbuilt, or that if we use a certain model for the base, we can’t use the existing head it comes with? But... we couldn’t use more than 25% of any kit, so...

I dunno, maybe you could explain it in even clearer/simpler terms? Sometimes I confuse myself.

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Seems like I should get it, but the 25% rule means that more than 25% of the parts can’t come from a single kit? 0% of the head can come from an existing model... does that mean it has to be scratchbuilt, or that if we use a certain model for the base, we can’t use the existing head it comes with? But... we couldn’t use more than 25% of any kit, so...
I dunno, maybe you could explain it in even clearer/simpler terms? Sometimes I confuse myself.


The 25% Rule ONLY applies to Named Character models, or the newer mono-pose super detailed Independant Character models.
ALL multi-part plastic boxsets are exempt from the Rule. The purpose of the Rule is to encourage the kit-bqshing/converting side of the Hobby by preventing someone buying the (for example) New Primaris Captain, doing a weapon swap and calling it a day.
0% Head means that the head counts for 0% of a model, meaning if you have used the Legs from Asmodai, you can still use the head and it won't break the 25% Rule.

The 25% has always been clunky, and has needed some explanation each time, so don't sweat it. Hopefully this has cleared it up for you :tu:

Cheers,
Jono

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I need something to complete in the new year. I'm game.



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Looking forward to it all. :tu: The original challenges were fair early in my time on the board, so never got a chance to participate. Biting at the bit for this.


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Sounds exciting! I'd be up for a little converting action!! Really is one of the most fun parts of the hobby for me!!
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Sisters also have Jacobus and Celestine as Warlords msn-wink.gif

 

Named Characters will be a separate challenge....if we make it that far thumbsup.gif

 

 

Damn it. I was thinking I could finish up my Lufgt Huron conversion for this.


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Great idea. I'm in.

One question. I wan't to make captain on bike. Does bike Also need to be converted from different parts, or it could be as it is, And % limitations apply only to a model?
And second question 3d party bits could be used? Scibor, kromlech And So on?

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Sisters also have Jacobus and Celestine as Warlords ;)


Named Characters will be a separate challenge....if we make it that far :tu:

Damn it. I was thinking I could finish up my Lufgt Huron conversion for this.
*IF* you don't tell me, how will I know.... ;)

but seriously, counts-as Named Characters aren't excluded from being valid entries, they will just be getting their own challenge in the future.

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Great idea. I'm in.
One question. I wan't to make captain on bike. Does bike Also need to be converted from different parts, or it could be as it is, And % limitations apply only to a model?
And second question 3d party bits could be used? Scibor, kromlech And So on?


Only the Captain is subject to the Rules, any bikes or jumppacks are exempt. Go bananas with any bits you like, as long as the finished model is identifiable as what is supposed to be, you could use 100% 3rd party bits :tu:

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Great idea. I'm in.
One question. I wan't to make captain on bike. Does bike Also need to be converted from different parts, or it could be as it is, And % limitations apply only to a model?
And second question 3d party bits could be used? Scibor, kromlech And So on?


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Sounds great. I'm already excited about the autumn for duels or tiny dioramas.
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Ok. Thanks for explanation:)

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Seems like I should get it, but the 25% rule means that more than 25% of the parts can’t come from a single kit? 0% of the head can come from an existing model... does that mean it has to be scratchbuilt, or that if we use a certain model for the base, we can’t use the existing head it comes with? But... we couldn’t use more than 25% of any kit, so...
I dunno, maybe you could explain it in even clearer/simpler terms? Sometimes I confuse myself.


The 25% Rule ONLY applies to Named Character models, or the newer mono-pose super detailed Independant Character models.
ALL multi-part plastic boxsets are exempt from the Rule. The purpose of the Rule is to encourage the kit-bqshing/converting side of the Hobby by preventing someone buying the (for example) New Primaris Captain, doing a weapon swap and calling it a day.
0% Head means that the head counts for 0% of a model, meaning if you have used the Legs from Asmodai, you can still use the head and it won't break the 25% Rule.

The 25% has always been clunky, and has needed some explanation each time, so don't sweat it. Hopefully this has cleared it up for you thumbsup.gif

 

Does this mean primaris characters are banned? Because with one exception, they are all monopose, and while it's kinda possible to swap arms with lots of cutting and filing, torso and legs are monolithic block you can't separate without it looking like ass, and even if you did, you'd need to cut up multiple models as there are zero spare legs anywhere, unlike standard SM kits with legs being dime a dozen...



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I’m in. Just about finished ToH2017, so need something to keep the motivation for the HG 4th company going

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Ooh, this might give me just the motivation to finish some ideas that have been gathering dust for a while! I actually have a warlord (HH praetor), a duel and a one miniature diorama kinda started, so I might use them for these challenges, and I would finally get them done!

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Seems like I should get it, but the 25% rule means that more than 25% of the parts can’t come from a single kit? 0% of the head can come from an existing model... does that mean it has to be scratchbuilt, or that if we use a certain model for the base, we can’t use the existing head it comes with? But... we couldn’t use more than 25% of any kit, so...
I dunno, maybe you could explain it in even clearer/simpler terms? Sometimes I confuse myself.


The 25% Rule ONLY applies to Named Character models, or the newer mono-pose super detailed Independant Character models.
ALL multi-part plastic boxsets are exempt from the Rule. The purpose of the Rule is to encourage the kit-bqshing/converting side of the Hobby by preventing someone buying the (for example) New Primaris Captain, doing a weapon swap and calling it a day.
0% Head means that the head counts for 0% of a model, meaning if you have used the Legs from Asmodai, you can still use the head and it won't break the 25% Rule.

The 25% has always been clunky, and has needed some explanation each time, so don't sweat it. Hopefully this has cleared it up for you thumbsup.gif

 

Does this mean primaris characters are banned? Because with one exception, they are all monopose, and while it's kinda possible to swap arms with lots of cutting and filing, torso and legs are monolithic block you can't separate without it looking like ass, and even if you did, you'd need to cut up multiple models as there are zero spare legs anywhere, unlike standard SM kits with legs being dime a dozen...

 

Yeah I was thinking the same. I'm planning on making a conversion based on the Primaris Lieutenant but I'd like to keep most of the model as is actually since it would require way too much efford to cut everything apart and putting together again without it looking like halfassed crap.


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Seems like I should get it, but the 25% rule means that more than 25% of the parts can’t come from a single kit? 0% of the head can come from an existing model... does that mean it has to be scratchbuilt, or that if we use a certain model for the base, we can’t use the existing head it comes with? But... we couldn’t use more than 25% of any kit, so...
I dunno, maybe you could explain it in even clearer/simpler terms? Sometimes I confuse myself.

The 25% Rule ONLY applies to Named Character models, or the newer mono-pose super detailed Independant Character models.
ALL multi-part plastic boxsets are exempt from the Rule. The purpose of the Rule is to encourage the kit-bqshing/converting side of the Hobby by preventing someone buying the (for example) New Primaris Captain, doing a weapon swap and calling it a day.
0% Head means that the head counts for 0% of a model, meaning if you have used the Legs from Asmodai, you can still use the head and it won't break the 25% Rule.
The 25% has always been clunky, and has needed some explanation each time, so don't sweat it. Hopefully this has cleared it up for you :tu:

Does this mean primaris characters are banned? Because with one exception, they are all monopose, and while it's kinda possible to swap arms with lots of cutting and filing, torso and legs are monolithic block you can't separate without it looking like ass, and even if you did, you'd need to cut up multiple models as there are zero spare legs anywhere, unlike standard SM kits with legs being dime a dozen...
Yeah I was thinking the same. I'm planning on making a conversion based on the Primaris Lieutenant but I'd like to keep most of the model as is actually since it would require way too much efford to cut everything apart and putting together again without it looking like halfassed crap.
Primaris are a problem with the 25% Rule, and I have been thinking on it. I think the best way forward is to ijclude the Captain, Chaplain, Librarian, and Apothecary models in the 25% Rule and allow the legs/torso combo of the rest of the Primaris range to be exempt from the Rule.

It's also worth making a point of saying it now, anyone can ignore the Rules and make the conversion that they want to, they are still most welcome to use both the Participation and Completion banners/pips, they'll just be ineligible for winning The Favourite, which in all honestly, is just my favourite based on my personal preferences, which won't mean squat to some....

Cheers,
Jono

Edited by Grotsmasha, 01 January 2018 - 11:40 PM.

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Are Brotherbood of the Lost or any entries from the special project forum allowed? Would be cool to see some lightning bearers models etc

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