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Astra Militarum: How to deal with top ITC lists


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Hello everyone!

 

So the LVO ended a few weeks ago. What I saw that was pretty scary were the Eldar Reapers, Cultist/Bloodletter bombs, and alpha strike lists. So I was curious. What are you all doing to prepare and counter these lists? Have any of you played against these hyper competitive lists? If so, how do you pull victories out?

 

Thanks in advance!



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My experience with the ITC tournament rules is limited, but... based on what I have seen with the lists that were posted a few days ago I would say more bodies. LVO tends to focus on smaller armies with guard as a stop gap, secondary list. I would advise that since the tournament rounds are timed that you tighten up your own understanding of the Guard Codex to avoid being accused of wasting time, since there is always 'that guy'.

 

If I remember with the older ITC rules set kill points is usually a fairly secondary and tertiary objective most of the time, so it might not be a terrible idea to consider a more attritional army build considering that the meta tends to run on more elite armies.  


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Fun fact about ITC squad killing secondary, they only counts for squads of 10 or more, hence most guard squads will include a mortar to reduce that squad size to 9. Therefore not granting points when killed (if that secondary is selected). 

 

Other then that, a marine detatchment with scouts pushes back that alpha and the most important part: redundancy, if you have a key unit, take 2! or even better, 4!


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Fun fact about ITC squad killing secondary, they only counts for squads of 10 or more, hence most guard squads will include a mortar to reduce that squad size to 9. Therefore not granting points when killed (if that secondary is selected). 

 

Other then that, a marine detatchment with scouts pushes back that alpha and the most important part: redundancy, if you have a key unit, take 2! or even better, 4!

 

 

 That is dirty! lol! Also, I could not agree more with redundancy.

 

I was hoping to field a massive infantry division with some tank support. Maybe like three basilisks and three leman russes. 

 

Are the scout walkers good at creating that anti-alpha strike bubble?



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Alpha deep strike assault is relatively easy to counter with Guard. Eldar, they are far superior in everything. I'd simply avoid facing them, it is really wasted time at top-lists level. Your best bet, if you must, requires heavy list-tailoring: avoid anything with a range over 24", focus on mobility, assault and close-range fire. In a word: Catachans, scions, close combat, Hellhounds and outflanking stuff.

Or, cross your fingers and wait for March. But don't expect much: the current (codex) rules have simply cut whole armies out from the competitive game, and Guard is chief among these. This situation is unfixable, even with points adjustments.

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I'm not sure that we will have points change in the next faq (GW said it will happens only in C.A.), on the other hands this new system it's become a "who cry out louder wins", so if they decide for points change I'm pretty sure that it will be in our disfavour and not the contrary. Eldar player have special ability in crying louder than anything else and have a "strange" perception about the strenght and weakness of theor codex, compared to the others...

It's quite clear how much I hate Space Elves?

I fear a return to the 7th system for tourney, where the most improbable list wins. I think that crying out louder than Eldar player could help, and forbid allaied and mixed soup list could help too
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personally i think the best thing is to just not worry to hard on the whole issue, create a list you think will work for you and stick to it if you let yourself get bogged down worrying about ways to counter what some of the top lists might be you will find yourself burnt out before you even make it to the event and that can put you in a rather bad mood to play against. Personally my advice would be to just take it easy there are going to be lists better then yours but if you go to see how far you can get rather then to win at all costs those lists won't bug you as much, honestly if i could give any advice at all it's that if people are there to win and only to win (and aren't being a "that guy") play your best accept the loss and just have a fun day  


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It's sort of an aphorism among U.S. Civil War historians and history buffs that General Ulysses Grant performed better as the leader of the Union Army than McClellan or Halleck because he was far more concerned about what he was going to do do the enemy and less concerned about what the enemy was going to do to him. He also applied this philosophy to his Western campaigns before becoming military leader of the Union army in 1864.

 

It's something I like to consider when I play 40K.  :)


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It's sort of an aphorism among U.S. Civil War historians and history buffs that General Ulysses Grant performed better as the leader of the Union Army than McClellan or Halleck because he was far more concerned about what he was going to do do the enemy and less concerned about what the enemy was going to do to him. He also applied this philosophy to his Western campaigns before becoming military leader of the Union army in 1864.

It's something I like to consider when I play 40K. :)

Officially my favorite online post this week. Paton had a very similar philosophy and I like to think of him when I 40k.
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personally i think the best thing is to just not worry to hard on the whole issue, create a list you think will work for you and stick to it if you let yourself get bogged down worrying about ways to counter what some of the top lists might be you will find yourself burnt out before you even make it to the event and that can put you in a rather bad mood to play against. Personally my advice would be to just take it easy there are going to be lists better then yours but if you go to see how far you can get rather then to win at all costs those lists won't bug you as much, honestly if i could give any advice at all it's that if people are there to win and only to win (and aren't being a "that guy") play your best accept the loss and just have a fun day


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To fight the Eldar spam forgeworld hellhounds.

Seriously that's how IG has a shot at beating the top elder soup lists and even then you're facing an uphill battle

Generally speaking though you beat it by not agreeing to play it.

Edited by MrZakalwe, 15 February 2018 - 09:01 AM.


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What do we do commander?

 

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