Iron Father Ferrum Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Ferrus comes back as a daemon. Guess I’ll have to start collecting chaos then Ferrus' warp ghost appeared leading the warp ghosts of slain Space Marines and Imperial soldiery in Master of Nankind. If he comes back, the groundwork is there for him to come back leading the Legion of the Damned. Blood Angel Scout and SickSix 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Eh... those were the Emperor's psychic manifestations of all the people who have died for him, not sure how stable that platform is for a return. SickSix 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) The specific wording wasn't turn traitor. It was specifically "May not come back on the same side". That leaves it open for a Primarch to come back and break off from the Imperium because they are just that disgusted with what it has become, while remaining loyal to the Emperor. Edited February 16, 2018 by Claws and Effect Huggtand and SickSix 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman101 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) I think Magnus could turn. Tzeentch is the god of change, maybe that could mean a change of loyalties. He could be loyal and yet still be a unwitting pawn of Tzeentch. The Lion is a obvious choice for a traitor, but it could be a unwillingly choice. He goes after the Fallen, and friendlies get killed. The cover up just makes bad worse and he is declared Perditia. He is loyal after a fashion, but is cast out of the imperium Edited February 17, 2018 by bushman101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 The Daemon primarchs are all effectively dead and reborn as a fragment of a chaos god, which basically rules them out, which only leaves Alpharius (Omegon) or a returned from the dead Night haunter (Which seems unlikely) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Alpharius/Omegon is really the only one with potential to return as a loyalist. It would also be pretty awesome and could have little to no impact on Chaos Alpha Legion. They can function without a singular leader, it has been hinted that Omegon has lost control of the Legion, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulf Vengis Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Perhaps a shard of Magnus returns as a loyal entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 We already had that...Janus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Well the big four are out (Magnus, and Morty have models, fulgrim is a crazy snake person, and well Angron is Angron). Lorgar is in the current fluff leading his legion and an arch priest, Petrubro has a fortress in the eye, Cruze and horus are dead. So that leaves Alpha Legion as really the only the option on the fallen side. Loyalists - there are a lot of options more so when you consider that they may just want to do things differently than Guilliman. Multiple Imperium fractions would actually be good for the game too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNCenturion Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 I agree that of the traitor primarchs, only Alpharius/Omegon may or could possibly switchback to the Imperium, though even that is highly unlikely. All those primarchs are so far past the line of damnation that not only would they never return to the fold of the Imperium, but I seriously doubt the Imperium would entertain having them back. These guys aren’t exactly prodigal sons after all. They murdered millions of people, destroyed the great vision of the emperors future, and, oh yeah, consorted with and fell to daemonic powers. So no, there are no traitor primarchs who would turn loyal. Betrayal doesn’t really work that way. It’s far more feasible, and interesting, for a loyal primarch (who has returned from the dead/warp/webway) to fall from grace and, if not turn outright traitor, then act in a way that isn’t in line with the Imperium at large. Of these, I can see Russ, the Lion, Khan, and maybe Vulkan going against the high lords and Guilliman. I think Dorn and Corax would be the ones most likely to continue to toe the line for the sake of humanity. Obviously never say never to anything, but these are just my basic thoughts on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Hmm. I have a hard time thinking any of the Primarchs would fully switch /sides/ on the Chaos/Imperium scale. Unless there's some huge retcon, most of the current Primarchs have been portrayed as complicit and dedicated to their own side. (When Horus killed Sanguinius most of his soul was taken captive by the Chaos gods! A tiny bit escaped to become the Sanguinor, but the rest has been corrupted and tortured over ten thousand years to turn him into Sanguirion, the Angel of Chaos!!!). I used to think that Fulgrim may be redeemable, since his fall was as much to do with possession as anything, but I believe I read that in later novels he shakes it off and is still just as Fulgrimy. I can't see Russ, Corax, Vulkan, or Dorn easily falling to chaos. The Khan would have back in the day if he was gonna. Maybe, mayyyybe I could see Magnus being an agent of Tzeentch but helping the Imperium at times. Tzeentch is known to play the long game, and what helps him against his brothers is not necessarily always going to be against the interests of the Imperium. The Lion is kind of an odd outlier. He's a loyalist despite being marked by chaos as a test tube baby. On the one hand, he was /supposed/ to fall, and half of his Legion did. But on the other, I've come to really like his strength of character: that he was marked early by the ruinous powers and was the only one of them to actually resist them and stay loyal. Him turning would be way too cliche. Of course, this leaves "Alpharius". It would actually make sense for them to release a model a bit smaller than Guilliman for the Alpha Legion who can be used by both Chaos and Imperium forces, and would be the one Primarch to be for an unexpected faction that would make sense from the story thus far. Though if being with a different army is taken a little more flexibly, there's a lot of options. Resurrected cloned Mechanicus Ferrus. Crusading Black Templars Dorn. A returned Corax who hates what the Imperium has become and his children being complicit in it, who takes to the battlefield alongside Militarum regiments to try to fight for the little guy. Lots of interesting ideas there that could technically fit the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 Well, there is the rough theory of a third Primarch of the Alpha Legion, at least in the Forge World Horus Heresy books. The Hydra does have three heads, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinstryfe Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 My conspiracy theory sort of cobbled together from the Alpha Legion blood drinking stuff they did in a novel is that the Alphas have a crazy active omophagea, and that their Primarchs can literally survive by basically overwriting one of their Astartes. "I am Alpharius" is less about secrecy than potential; when one Primarch falls, he can be resurrected in one of his Astartes. Thus the secret war between Alpharius and Omegon has played out thousands of times over ten thousand years, because the only way to truly kill the Hydra would be to remove all of its ten thousand heads, because it can regrow from even one. D3L and Withershadow 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 My conspiracy theory sort of cobbled together from the Alpha Legion blood drinking stuff they did in a novel is that the Alphas have a crazy active omophagea, and that their Primarchs can literally survive by basically overwriting one of their Astartes. "I am Alpharius" is less about secrecy than potential; when one Primarch falls, he can be resurrected in one of his Astartes. Thus the secret war between Alpharius and Omegon has played out thousands of times over ten thousand years, because the only way to truly kill the Hydra would be to remove all of its ten thousand heads, because it can regrow from even one. They also have psychic techniques that accomplish similar ends, overwriting a person's personality and "replacing their soul with that of another", so that is certainly plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggtand Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 As Claws and Effect said there is the option that loyal Primarch don't fall to Chaos but go independent instead. Think of the delicious irony if the Lion came back and create his own empire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabando Posted March 1, 2018 Share Posted March 1, 2018 As Claws and Effect said there is the option that loyal Primarch don't fall to Chaos but go independent instead. Think of the delicious irony if the Lion came back and create his own empire I would have loved to have seen this, Berty G holding the southern empire and Lion el keeping the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 Ferrus comes back as a daemon. Guess I’ll have to start collecting chaos then Ferrus' warp ghost appeared leading the warp ghosts of slain Space Marines and Imperial soldiery in Master of Nankind. If he comes back, the groundwork is there for him to come back leading the Legion of the Damned. I must have missed this, what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now