Lord Kallozar Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Could it be fluffwise justified for a Khorne dedicated army to contain no berzerkers and instead have standard Khorne marines? Commissar K. 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Sure. Khorne doesn't mean you have to take Berzerkers. It's just World Eaters who have a lot of them. Commissar K. 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 (edited) I think butcher’s nails are the main thing that separates your standard Khornate devotee from berserkers. Since their usage is a relative rarity, most followers are probably “normal” heretic Astartes. Edited February 18, 2018 by Juggernut Commissar K. and Res Ipsa Loquitur 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantraxx Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) Sure, they don't have to be zerkers but you need to ask what role you want for your marines. If they are for sitting on objectives and shooting i guess that would work but not so much in theme... If you are planning on sending the basic marines into combat then zerkers will always outshine anything else. Is there a specific reason you don't want to use beserkers? Edited February 19, 2018 by Vantraxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 You could, but why? Trevak Dal and Jiron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I like Khorne alot but cannot stand World Eaters. Read Daemon World by Ben Counter. It is basically a Chaos feral world of Slaanesh cultists vs undivided barbarians (that end up allying Khorne) with some small space marine forces mixed in. SanguinaryGuardsman 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I like Khorne alot but cannot stand World Eaters. Read Daemon World by Ben Counter. It is basically a Chaos feral world of Slaanesh cultists vs undivided barbarians (that end up allying Khorne) with some small space marine forces mixed in. Haha... the fluff I made up for my Renegades is similiar to that. My warband is an uneasy alliance made up of two insurrections of slaanesh and khorne cultists that somehow corrupted the invading astartes chapter sent suppress the insurrection. The end result is a cultist horde supported by khorne berserkers, slaanesh characters/oblits, possessed marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I like Khorne alot but cannot stand World Eaters. Read Daemon World by Ben Counter. It is basically a Chaos feral world of Slaanesh cultists vs undivided barbarians (that end up allying Khorne) with some small space marine forces mixed in. Fair enough, but not all berserkers are World Eaters. Those are just the guys around from the HH. There are a ton of non WE berserkers running around. The reason I belabor the point, is that berserkers are insanely better at close combat. They get more than twice the attacks at a higher strength and with better AP for nearly the same cost. Thats not to say you can't run CSM, but they're built for something completely different. I'd recommend just having your berserkers be from a different Legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Do berserkers always have the Nails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Do berserkers always have the Nails? Normally, yes. It's what makes them Berzerkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Yeah I am thematically not down with the nails. I just prefer straight crazy! Jiron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 The butchers nails are specifically a world Eaters practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle captain corpus Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 @CrystalSeer: nope, Black Legion fleshsmiths have perfected the Nails to almost identical standards as those of the World Eaters. Current CSM Codex. Running a Khornate army with Zerkers is perfectly fluffy and has solid material referenced in the canon, so you'll be fine Lord Kallozar. BCC Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpmiss Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I guess that if they are not WE, you can always say that they go berserk without the nails, just make up another reason and pass it as your guys way of making zerkers. battle captain corpus 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 CoughUzaswasaberzerkerwithoutthenailscough. Lord Abaia, Jiron and Sagentus 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Wha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagentus Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just read up on uzas, interesting read seeing as he didnt have the nails. Jiron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Uzas from the Night Lords trilogy. By the end he was clearly well under Khorne's thrall and I would go so far as to call him a Berzerker...but he never had the Nails implanted. I was trying to be surreptitious, sorry. Jiron and Warpmiss 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I get ya now. There was also a character in the Word Bearers Omnibus (Khalaxis) of a similar nature. He was mostly reined in, but the rage came out from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I get ya now. There was also a character in the Word Bearers Omnibus (Khalaxis) of a similar nature. He was mostly reined in, but the rage came out from time to time. The Iron Warrior trilogy also had a Khorne dedicated warsmith. Warpmiss 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Yeah not every Berzerker has the nails but usually they do. It's perfectly fine if yours don't have them in your own warbands fluff. ;) Commissar K. 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar K. Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Yeah there is very little that can't be excused by fluff in 40K these days. By large because more and more has been added. What we also see is that the Butcher's Nails don't directly make the Berzerkers 'super aggro all the time' provided their Butcher's Nails implementation isn't that old... So again, tons of options on how you want to justify them.As has been said, not all Khorne Chaos Space Marines are Berzerkers. At certain points in lore it has been said that all World Eater Chaos Space Marines are Berzerkers but even that isn't completely the case with some of the more recent lore... So again really make of it what you will.In the end I think the Butcher's Nails are best described as a tool that allows you to 'easily' follow the path of Khorne the way he wants it. As has been described it removes emotions basically and empowers the fighter up untill his last breath. With the lore we have on how Khorne 'ideally' wants his fighters to fight the Butcher's Nails are just ideal for him. As has also been said many times however it has massive downsides for the bearer also but in essence is akin to being 'Possessed' and it's really up to any player to decide how much of a bunch of fanatics your army is.Cheers, Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intel31337 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Back in RT, the Night Lords were considered to be worshipers of Khorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 That's true but doesn't really have anything to do with the topic since Berzerker aren't World Eater exclusive so Night Lords could take Berzerker as well. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furio Reyka Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 World Eaters without berzerkers? Don't be daft. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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