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Considering Craftworld Eldar as Next Army


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Greetings all,

 

A few months ago I made some posts here feeling out the Eldar pre codex as a potential army.  Now that my Custodes/Inquisition army is almost done and the Eldar dex is out, I'm leaning back in the direction of the Eldar.  I've always loved Ulthwé and Eldrad so I figured that's a great place to go.  I know it's going to be guardian focused with minimal support from Aspects, however I currently don't know much else from the newer fluff.  I've picked up the old sword Autarch, Farseer, and Fuegen over the years and that is the extent of my Eldar models. (Both generic choices painted Ulthwé)  I was also wondering if at least 1 Phoenix Lord has a place in a list with Eldrad, as I do enjoy the fluff around Fuegen.  I know that's a lot of points sunk into 2 HQ slots with Eldrad being there, plus at least one squad of Fire Dragons to fully benefit from their auras.

 

As a personal quirk I don't tend to like vehicles much, I know there are some potent footdar lists but I also know they are aspect heavy.  Any tips from you all would be greatly appreciated!


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When you dislike vehicles, do you mean all vehicles, or on the Eldar's case, their hovertanks? Because War Walkers are pretty reasonable and expected to be seen with Black Guardians.
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Couple of quick notes:

Eldrad got exiled from Ulthwé due to extremist actions, referenced in Death Masque and Gathering Storm 2. He now wanders around with the Ulthwé guys that went in to exile with him and a bunch of ynnari.

Vehicles aren't needed. My main list is all infantry.

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As far as your questions about exarchs / aspect shrines:
 
There is no fluff or rules restricting you from using aspect shrines with Ulthwé. There is lore placing Fuegan with Eldrad in the past. Their points really aren't that bad either, for what they bring to the table. You can very easily field both.
 
As a point for meta, Dark Reapers are pretty much the foundation of tournament Eldar lists at the moment. They are extremely cheap with a very good weapon, which is easily spammable as it has both an anti-infantry and an anti-tank firing mode. They also play well with Eldrad as you can Doom/Guide/Fortune them.

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Apologies for getting back to this so late! Thank you for the responses!

 

With regards to vehicles, I don't mind transports if they are a necessity I just tend to prefer infantry models from a visual standpoint.  The war walkers are awesome looking though and I was definitely planning on using some.  

 

Eldrad being exiled is definitely a game changer for me, probably should change the title of this now as I don't feel restricted to a craftworld!  I was going to include a squad of Dark Reapers for sure, their stats are very impressive!  I'm not a tournament player so I don't need a super optimized list, but could you all tell me if the rest of the aspects are fun to play?  Scorpions have always been my favorite visually, but I know from reading here that they are of potentially dubious use unless you run Karandras.

 

EDIT: Swooping hawks seem extremely powerful against hordes, is this the case? I have a couple of infantry guard and ork players in my store.


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Hawks are great and flexible. You can keep them nipping about at long range, harassing lighter infantry. They synergise quite well with the Alaitoc Craftworld trait in this role. They also have potential to make Grenade runs for Mortal Wounds. Their Morale buff is handy for Mind Wars and they can grab objectives easily which is handy, especially in Maelstrom games. In short, they are a very flexible way to spend a modest 65 points.

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I'm not a tournament player so I don't need a super optimized list, but could you all tell me if the rest of the aspects are fun to play?  Scorpions have always been my favorite visually, but I know from reading here that they are of potentially dubious use unless you run Karandras.

 
Don't put scorpions out in the cold just yet! I use them and get good results. Scorpions and Spiders are a match made in heaven! Spiders mean that you can shoot up something out of the way, and the Scorpions can drive that 'infiltrating/teleporting' attack through. They may struggle against some other cc specialists, but they can use thei abilities to pick the fights they know they can win. Plus, for a footdar list both units will let you respond better to enemy movements - without transports you'll have to be careful about positioning and board control - Scorps and Spiders can help you pull off the 'encircle' with a foot list. I take 2x5-6 of each in alot of games.
 
An Ulthwé foot list should work quite well! Large Guardian squads are ideal for psychic support... Try throwing one into the Webway, but a second one as a main line unit is also warranted. 
 
A proper footdar list to me would be 2x15-20 Guardians, 2x8-10 Avengers, 2x5 Rangers...that'll cover your front and back line, then all you need is specialists. Unfortunately Dragons will be a little tough to use in a footdar list, but maybe they're the ones to throw in the Webway lol.
 
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Aspects?  This may be according to preference, but outside of Dark Reapers and Scorpions you have:

 

Banshees: Fun, not the best, but fun.  They're kind of in the same boat as Scorpions, but intended to strike heavier targets and expected to dart up the field quickly instead of laying in wait.

 

Dire Avengers:  Standard dakka aspect.  I like the humble Shuriken weapons, as they're always bringing something to the table with the armor rending ability.  I feel they are overshadowed a bit due to their cost versus Guardians, but they are not bad.  Flavor with Asurmen to your preference :)

 

Fire Dragons: Thanks Reapers for making these guys live on shelves.  Flat 3 damage and the range of Reapers makes these guys pale a bit.  I think these guys do well enough when given a Wave Serpent to ride around in, and maybe a Psyker or Autarch to keep them company for the ride.

 

Swooping Hawks: Great for light infantry, probably the best Eldar have versus those targets.  T3 with bad armor vaporize quickly when Hawks find them.

 

Shining Spears: Oh, hello there!  They're pretty good in Craftworlds, great in Ynnari.  They bring a lot of what Banshees bring, but at a higher price tag with just a touch more resilience.

 

Crimson Hunter: Don't forget, this guy is an Aspect Warrior.  And he's pretty good, too.  Definitely NOT infantry, though.

 

Shadow Spectres:  My heart broke when these guys got a price hike.  Thanks Ynnari.  They were actually really fun for the table.  Kind of chaotic and random, more like playing Vegas blackjack than 40k.  They're still good, just cost restrictive... and Forgeworld (if that matters).

 

Warp Spiders: They're scary, and mean, but ultimately... outclassed by simpler options.  I've used them a couple of times, and they left me feeling like I really got nothing for them, which made me sad... they can zip all over the place and strike from some unexpected spots.

 

I think that covers all of the Aspect Warriors?  The good thing is, while I am a little tough on a few of them... none of them are just truly awful and deserve no playing time.  And being of the not-tournament-competitive variety definitely helps, as you're not totally basing decisions off of efficiency.  That pretty much leaves the choice to you to flavor your forces with how you want it to look.  They all bring something radically different to the table.

 

Since you spoke a bit on Scorpions, maybe you can try some Spectres and Warp Spiders with them in an Alaitoc list, with some ranged support from Rangers.  That sounds like it has a lot of fun synergy with it, hard to hit, and probably pretty fluffy at the same time.






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