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FAQ release today.


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Capt. Mytre

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Live FB Stream is up here

 

Stream notes:

  • +1 to warp charge requirement for consecutive Smites (not -1 roll). Grey Knights and Thousands Sons except from this rule. Matched Play only.
  • You can only target a Character model if it is the closest model. Characters don't block you from shooting other characters. Matched Play only.
  • Command points increased for Battalions (3 > 5) and Brigades (9 > 12).
  • Ignoring wound saves changed to just a single FNP save. No more stacking. Intention was to speed up the game.
  • Some point changes: Robot Girlyman increased. Dark Reapers increased. Flying Hive Tyrant increased.
  • Guide line suggestions for events updated: Rule of Three - use the same data sheet 3 times - troops and transports exempt.
  • BETA RULES:
    • Soup adjustments: If you have a battle forged army, you can no longer use Chaos/Imperium/Tyranid or Aeldari keywords in the same detachment. Exceptions for various units, SoS/Legionaries(?might have been Inquisitors?)/Assassins. Can take these units without needing a HQ choice in a Vanguard detachment.
    • Alpha strike adjustments: Fully half your army needs to be deployed on the battlefield, points/power level wise. If you deepstrike on the first turn, it can only land in your deployment zone. Exceptions include Genestealer cults.
  • FAQ for recent codexes included.
  • Forgeworld units adjusted.

Stream Finished

 

PDF: https://whc-cdn.game...Q_1_2018_en.pdf

 

If that PDF is all there is - HAHAHAHAHAHA, zero changes to how GK play, other than a massive beta rule nerf. Who's going to be the first one to tell me to "wait for the next FAQ/Chapter Approved"?

 

GW are officially inept.


Edited by Capt. Mytre, 16 April 2018 - 04:40 PM.

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Ok, let's see.



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Both excited and terrified.

 

But at least the wait will be over...


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QUOTE (Seahawk @ Jul 30 2011, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We all feel different ways about different rules, but if you're traveling between different gaming groups or to tournaments, the only commonality is the rules as they are written. If you can get your opponent to agree with you on house-ruling something then that changes things, but until then all we can do is go by how things are written.

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Exactly. my life is precarious enough. :D



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I've never been so desperate to be wrong but I'm terrified I'll be right.



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Maybe they'll make the streaming and only after the FAQ will be uploaded...



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Don't say that! lol!

 

Waiting at work.  3 mins to go.  Should have left at 4 but don't want to be on the Underground at 4.30...

 

Edit: Hammering F5...


Edited by Gentlemanloser, 16 April 2018 - 03:15 PM.

QUOTE (Seahawk @ Jul 30 2011, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We all feel different ways about different rules, but if you're traveling between different gaming groups or to tournaments, the only commonality is the rules as they are written. If you can get your opponent to agree with you on house-ruling something then that changes things, but until then all we can do is go by how things are written.

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I am at work too. Please let me know. 

 

Lol I noted that we are all here :D



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Nothing so far, and it's 4.30...

 

Edit: The Facebook post does say "and download the updates" so it shouldn't be just the live stream.


Edited by Gentlemanloser, 16 April 2018 - 03:21 PM.

QUOTE (Seahawk @ Jul 30 2011, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We all feel different ways about different rules, but if you're traveling between different gaming groups or to tournaments, the only commonality is the rules as they are written. If you can get your opponent to agree with you on house-ruling something then that changes things, but until then all we can do is go by how things are written.

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Probably we have to see the streaming. Some friends of mine are doing that. As soon as I have any news I'll post here.
Who is not a slave like me (:D) give us info please!



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Can't view the live stream at work. :(


QUOTE (Seahawk @ Jul 30 2011, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We all feel different ways about different rules, but if you're traveling between different gaming groups or to tournaments, the only commonality is the rules as they are written. If you can get your opponent to agree with you on house-ruling something then that changes things, but until then all we can do is go by how things are written.

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The FAQ will be released soon.


Beta smite confirmed



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No smite nerf! Yay!



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Thousands Sons and Grey Knight are exempt from Smite nerf.



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Crappy rule.  They shouldn't implement it.

 

And there was a post on the Warhammer TV FB page saying the FAqs would be up at 4.30.

 

Guess I can leave work. ;)


QUOTE (Seahawk @ Jul 30 2011, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We all feel different ways about different rules, but if you're traveling between different gaming groups or to tournaments, the only commonality is the rules as they are written. If you can get your opponent to agree with you on house-ruling something then that changes things, but until then all we can do is go by how things are written.

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imperium eldar and chaos kw are gone (as beta rule). 0-3 max is a recommendation.
Mhhhh everything spoilered is true till now. I am scared.

Edited by Danarc, 16 April 2018 - 03:51 PM.


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The DS change is ridiculously bad.


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QUOTE (Seahawk @ Jul 30 2011, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We all feel different ways about different rules, but if you're traveling between different gaming groups or to tournaments, the only commonality is the rules as they are written. If you can get your opponent to agree with you on house-ruling something then that changes things, but until then all we can do is go by how things are written.

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If GK are not exception for new Alpha-Strike rules, I'll literally ragequit.


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The Deepstrike reserve beta rule is far worse of a nerf to GKs than the smite beta rule (which thankfully won't impact us).  The army is pointless without being able to deep strike turn one outside of our deployment zone since we are paying points for that ability.  If we don't get an exemption alongside Genestealer cults you won't be seeing any GK armies at any ITC events (since they have been simply applying the beta rules immediately).

 

Screening and pre-game scout moves are already an amazing counter to our first turn deepstrike and now this rule would allow those units to further stretch across the board to prevent any turn 2 deep strike outside of our own deployment zone anyway.  Wow, did not expect to see that rule.



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Actually it's not really a nberf to us.  It just pushes us form Strikes to Interceptors.

 

Just disembark and move for a 15" 'DS' then unload first turn with Rapid Fire Storm Bolters.

 

It's still a cussy rule.


QUOTE (Seahawk @ Jul 30 2011, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We all feel different ways about different rules, but if you're traveling between different gaming groups or to tournaments, the only commonality is the rules as they are written. If you can get your opponent to agree with you on house-ruling something then that changes things, but until then all we can do is go by how things are written.

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Actually it's not really a nberf to us.  It just pushes us form Strikes to Interceptors.

 

Just disembark and move for a 15" 'DS' then unload first turn with Rapid Fire Storm Bolters.

 

It's still a cussy rule.

But we will only be able to take 3 units of Interceptors now with the Rule of 3.  Moreover, you'll only be able to Gate of Infinity one of a GMDK, Voldus, or Draigo up to support those interceptors instead of being able to DS with them turn 1.  And with the change to battalions granting 5 CPs instead of 3, we really still need to take Strikes for the command points.



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Don't play in tournamets?  Especially those who enforce the optional rule of three?

 

Edit: DS rule makes GoI useless first turn...

 

Ugh.


Edited by Gentlemanloser, 16 April 2018 - 04:10 PM.

QUOTE (Seahawk @ Jul 30 2011, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We all feel different ways about different rules, but if you're traveling between different gaming groups or to tournaments, the only commonality is the rules as they are written. If you can get your opponent to agree with you on house-ruling something then that changes things, but until then all we can do is go by how things are written.

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Actually it's not really a nberf to us.  It just pushes us form Strikes to Interceptors.

 

Just disembark and move for a 15" 'DS' then unload first turn with Rapid Fire Storm Bolters.

 

It's still a cussy rule.

But we will only be able to take 3 units of Interceptors now with the Rule of 3.  Moreover, you'll only be able to Gate of Infinity one of a GMDK, Voldus, or Draigo up to support those interceptors instead of being able to DS with them turn 1.  And with the change to battalions granting 5 CPs instead of 3, we really still need to take Strikes for the command points.

 

 

I agree, but the rule of three is just a suggested rule for tournaments, much like the detachment limits.



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You don't need to gate NDK.  Keep them on board and move them up.  Could DS Strikes within RF range and GMNDK bubble range.

 

Now, we won't be DSing any GMNDK...

 

Edit: Interceptors can't Shunt first turn either. lol.


Edited by Gentlemanloser, 16 April 2018 - 04:19 PM.

QUOTE (Seahawk @ Jul 30 2011, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We all feel different ways about different rules, but if you're traveling between different gaming groups or to tournaments, the only commonality is the rules as they are written. If you can get your opponent to agree with you on house-ruling something then that changes things, but until then all we can do is go by how things are written.

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If it was not for screen-spreading all over the battlefield, rule would be manageble. Hide first turn where you can and go DS turn 2. But you can easily end up in the middle of battlefield.






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