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Webway gate terrain & Harlequin codices - May

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Au contraire, Midnight Sorrow can be truly ridiculous in the hands of a skilled player. I’ve never seen anything so capable of shutting down the enemy’s shooting plans. They could definitely make your opponent entirely rethink screening, or suffer the consequences. Especially when paired with flip belts...

But that’s a masque that really scales with skill level, in a way that won’t affect the way most people play 40k, I’d be willing to bet.

It really is up to your opponent not to maintain proper spacing between his units to allow you to daisy-chain. It also does absolutely nothing against them just falling back with the one engaged unit, and shooting the crap out of your elite 1 wound models. 

 

 

Proper spacing in this case means not allowing an enemy model to be able to get within 1" after a 6" move (after a 3" pile-in after a 2d6" charge after an 8+1d6" move). That's not exactly trivial, especially if you are trying to have board presence and get to objectives and what not yourself.

It's also going to be very difficult for non-FLY units to fall back from Harlequins as they just need surround one model enough that it can't get past any of them - and flip belts allowing them to move over enemy models to do so makes that very easy.



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I'm still new to 8th Ed so forgive me this question.. but units with "FLY" keyword can just jump the hell outta there even if surrounded...right?...ermm.gif

 

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I think so...they're allowed to move over models when they move...AFAIR. 

 

Of cource, you're not allowed to enter within 1" of an enemy model unless in the charge phase...so who knows?

 

Anything of mine that has fly though probably can chop its way out of it or can't be charged by the harlies anyway...except for maybe my stormtalon. Or destroyers, theoretically. And even then, if you've got your <FLY> heavy shooting dudes in melee you probably have bigger problems to worry about....


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I'm still new to 8th Ed so forgive me this question.. but units with "FLY" keyword can just jump the hell outta there even if surrounded...right?...:ermm:
 
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Yes. That's why people mentioning that tactic also mention non-FLY units as in the post right above yours. ;)
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So yeah, I'm really not rude it's basically just cultural differences that act against me here. Again, I apologize.

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It’s not difficult to pull off a 3-point pin when the assaulting unit (I do it with seraphim constantly; grab a cultist, guardsman, or tac marine.) The enemy now cannot fall back, so your only threats come from psykers and from assaults. You won’t get shot.

Harlies can pull off the same thing with their flip belts and an extra 6” consolidate. Throw a spare harlie or two at a nearby tank during the post-combat consolidate and it doesn’t even get overwatch. Sure, you haven’t locked the tank, but it can’t shoot that turn. (Fly tanks excepted.) and next turn, they can do it all over again.

It’s pretty sweet. I’d throw a harlie patrol in my eldar list just for the sheer shutdown flexibility they offer.

It’s not a mindless/straightforward play style - there is definitely a learning curve to pulling it off - but it’s major advantage is, it will throw off even the people who are very good st judging distances and screening their tanks. The amount of movement and variability it introduces, up and beyond what any other army it there has, means that defaulting to “safe screening as usual” could get you in serious trouble.

Like I said. Not for everyone. I don’t know that -I- could pull it off to the full extent (I’d love to try!) but I have certainly played against folks who could, and will!

Edited by Mekhitar, 18 May 2018 - 01:57 PM.

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He, that has to be one of the best GW promos ever:

 

 

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The Duncan finisher was amazing.

Also, loved the evil laugh the guy inserted. Did some unit get a major buff? That’s what I’m thinking, and that’s what worries me.
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We’ve seen lots of points drops already. They have their own version of Warptime. Apparently the haywire cannon and prismatic cannon are now Assault.

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Great video:)

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That video is classic, and that guy must drink a lot of coffe and smoke a lot because his teeth were sooo yellow.
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I do find it hilarious that some people were saying the size of newer marine stuff looks great next to regular humans like Cadians, and then GW upsized the humans so they are the same height as marines again :lol: :lol: :lol:


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That video is classic, and that guy must drink a lot of coffe and smoke a lot because his teeth were sooo yellow.


Whiteface makes your teeth look yellow.
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What about that one tooth that is desperately trying to escape? Is that due to whiteface too? tongue.png

 

The way he was painting is totally how I started back in the 90s, just glob it on straight out of the pot.  Where was Duncan with his two thin layers then?! WHERE?!


Edited by Withershadow, 21 May 2018 - 03:46 AM.

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