dtse Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Well bike spam is king Geoff Robinson just won the invitational with list like mine, mostly bikes and culexus and guard CP battery. And mike porter similar list winning (I think) the 400 person tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahkris Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 It will be interesting to see where the median player with the vertus praetor spam list ends up. Its a strong list in the hands of an experienced player for sure. I just painted up my vertus praetors, bracing myself for the incoming nerf in the next Chapter Approved haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadnaughty Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 I think its a binary army that spikes well. You see the guy that barely failed a 4++ all tournament win it all but you don't see the guy that lost 5 bikes to a bad saves against a bunch of lasguns. Which is not the say its not a very strong army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted May 20, 2018 Share Posted May 20, 2018 Well bike spam is king Geoff Robinson just won the invitational with list like mine, mostly bikes and culexus and guard CP battery. And mike porter similar list winning (I think) the 400 person tournament I think he’s been playing that list since day one and it never got GWs attention. Quite frankly I now await the hammer from GW. Even more so if a GW employee would have played against it. Get your games in while you can. I think its a binary army that spikes well. You see the guy that barely failed a 4++ all tournament win it all but you don't see the guy that lost 5 bikes to a bad saves against a bunch of lasguns. Which is not the say its not a very strong army. So very very true. I got by an ITC styled DE poison/lance army. I got so incredibly lucky and I know it. Ask my opponent though.... he says the invuln save is impossible to get through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 What was his army list ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 The guy Geoff played in the final he also played in a game just before it and lost 20-0. I’m not saying it’s not a really good list but a lot factored into the win more than just the list Making really good/conisitant saves. The mission. Geoff’s tactics changing so well to give him a much better chance. Also his opponent said he drew poorly on maelstrom (always a possability) And the eternal war objective that was removed for hiis Opponent was the one he was castle’d up on top of so really didn’t help. One of the shield captains living so long in the enemy backfield really tipped the game over the edge for Geoff. All just my opinion but that’s what I got from watching the stream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 What was his army list ?From memory it was Shield captain on dawn eagle jet bike w/ misirecordia x2 4 man bike squad 5 man bike squad 5 man bike squad Vexila with -1 to hit banner Company commander (wl) kurov’s aquila Company commander Infantry squad mortor x3 Assassin culexis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahkris Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Here's the actual army lists PLAYER NAME: Geoff Robinson FACTIONS: Adeptus Custodes, Astra Militarum (Cadian) TOTAL COMMAND POINTS: 8 TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1,996 OUTRIDER DETACHMENT: Adeptus Custodes [1,716pts] + 1CP HQ1: Shield-Captain on Dawn Eagle (150) Hurricane Bolters x 1 (10) Misericordia x 1(4) = [164] HQ2: Shield-Captain on Dawn Eagle (150) Hurricane Bolters x 1 (10) Misericordia x 1(4) = [164] FA1: Vertus Praetors x 5 (400) Hurricane Bolters x 5 (50) = [450] FA2: Vertus Praetors x 5 (400) Hurricane Bolters x 5 (50) = [450] FA3: Vertus Praetors x 4 (320) Hurricane Bolters x 4 (40) = [360] Elite1: Vexilus Praetor (80) Magnifica x 1 (30) Castellan Axe x 1 (14) Misericordia x 1 (4) = [128] BATTALION DETACHMENT: Astra Militarum (Cadian) [195pts] + 5CP HQ1: Company Commander (30) = WARLORD - [30] Kurov's Aquilla HQ2: Company Commander (30) = [30] Troop1: Infantry squad x 10 (40) Mortar x 1 (5pts) = [45] Troop2: Infantry squad x 10 (40) Mortar x 1 (5pts) = [45] Troop3: Infantry squad x 10 (40) Mortar x 1 (5pts) = [45] AUXILLIARY DETACHMENT: Officio Assasinorum [85pts] -1CP Elite1: Culexus Assassin = [85] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Player Name: Mike Porter. Command Points: 10 Army Faction Keyword: Imperium Total Points: 2000 Battalion Detachment: Astra Militarum: Vostroyan HQ: Commander = 30. RELIC: KUROVS AQUILA. WARLORD: GRAND STRATEGIST HQ: Commander = 30 Troop: Infantry Squad = 40 Troop: Infantry Squad = 40 Troop: Infantry Squad = 40 Elite: Ratlings = 45 Outrider Detachment: Adeptus Custodes HQ: Shield Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike = 160 RELIC: RAIMENT OF SORROWS Fast: Vertus Praetors x3 hurricane bolters x3 = 270 Fast: Vertus Praetors x3 hurricane bolters x3 = 270 Fast: Vertus Praetors x8 hurricane bolters x8 = 720 Elite: Vexillus Praetor in Allarus Terminator Armour (100) Vexilla Magnifica (30) = 130 Vanguard Detachment: Officio Assassinorum Elite: Eversor Assassin = 70 Elite: Eversor Assassin = 70 Elite: Cullexus Assassin = 85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Anyone look at the boards? They look...terrible. That terrain was god awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Anyone look at the boards? They look...terrible. That terrain was god awful. Yep - pretty well documented it's been shocking. GW reportedly sent them crates of terrain to use and they went with un-sprayed polystyrene walls instead... But back on topic: I don't think this really says anything like "Oh Bikes/ Custodes are OP" because really, I don't think they are. They are frighteningly strong, yes, but as with all Custodes units, it's often down to how good you are at rolling 4++ saves. They also occupy a very "Meta" spot in being tough enough to not care about small arms, tanky enough to shrug off big guns, numerous enough to not be a big one-model target, extremely fast, good stratagem support AND fit-for-purpose firepower. However what is OP is having: Unlimited CP Bodies for Objectives Indirect Fire ...for sub 200 points in any Imperium army. Nothing beats that as a choice in efficiency and return on investment. This is what GW need to sort out. However, what would that mean for the Golden Boys - would they ever get a look in at a Competitive level again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahkris Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 You can change IG easily and there are still some very powerfull allies for custodes. Blood angels with captain with thunderhammer and jumppack, whatever other character and 3x5 scouts. Slamguinius is a pretty solid source of damage. Black Templars with 3x5 scouts, the black templar stratagem (real solid for custodes) and a couple of lone cenobites to hold objectives in your backfield for cheap. Deathwatch with 3x5 intercessors (SIA is great) and whatever characters. Lord of hidden knowledge lets you farm CP like the IG warlord does. This cuts deeply into your amount of ikes however. Sisters. Cheap and just solid overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtse Posted May 21, 2018 Author Share Posted May 21, 2018 I think Custodes are quite counter meta. But will lose to good player playing eldar or dark eldar or even tau and necrons. It’s pretty terrain and mission type and format dependent. Stilll. I’m quite practiced now with this list and I feel like it can top 10 in a GT for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabstuffed Mushrooms Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Yeah, I think this is a testament to how well Geoff played: Yes, there were a lot of mitigating factors that went his way - but like a good player he capitalized on them. Bikes are fun, but they're still hit and miss against anything that sports a lot of AP-2. Oh, and mortal wounds - we love mortal wounds... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 It was a tricky game with some very questionable play by his opponent Alex Harrison, close to outright cheating with FtGG, moving wound marker, claiming clear the skies with 2 jetbikes on the table, etc. Not pleasant to watch. Alex was caught nudging models into range while live streamed at LVO I think it was previously, so yeah not the best advert. Alex has been banned now from entering LGT for life, seems extreme I’d have thought 12 months tough enough but YMMV. The bikes did a lot of work early but Geoff had a lot to do to keep from being tabled late game and he was having to adapt to a different style of play too. Geoff got his luck in the semi final when his opponent rolled really low, at one point he rolled 1,1,1 so recollect and got 1,1,1! Good job all in all by Geoff. The terrain looked awful but every table had the same so it was consistent and importantly LoS blocking. GW terrain is awful for LoS blocking unless you are playing ITC rules where all ground floor walls are considered pure LoS blocking, holes and windows ignored. I would not have been happy to pay £50 and find that terrain on table but it served its purpose even if it will put some people off returning or entering in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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