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Brotherhood of the Lost Announcements: First Books Released

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The members of the Brotherhood of the Lost AU project would like to announce that our Patreon page is now online. This is aimed primarily towards funding artwork and modelling for the project with secondary objectives being supporting Patreon rewards and donations to the Bolter and Chainsword.

https://www.patreon....view?u=10627200

An example of the sort of art we can commission with the Patreon funds.

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Future announcements regarding the project will also be posted in this thread.

Edited by Beren, 19 April 2019 - 04:48 PM.

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This seems very risky, legally-speaking.
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That has been taken into consideration.

Edited by Beren, 21 May 2018 - 08:35 PM.


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That has been taken into consideration.

 

Which means? Are you guys (and by extension the B&C) in the clear or not?



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That has been taken into consideration.

 

Which means? Are you guys (and by extension the B&C) in the clear or not?

 

 

It's in the clear. The way it works is that a patron is essentially donating to our work. You can see this elsewhere such as the various 40k fan artists and with the Text-to-Speech Device crew. So long as we don't try to sell anything GW created, we're good. For example, we can't offer a t-shirt with Sanguinius on it. That's obviously trademarked. However, if we were to use our own resources to have a t-shirt with Alexandros or another BotL Primarch, we're good because that would be our own creation.

 

Furthermore, we're not actually being paid for a particular product. We're being paid for a service with additional 'bonuses' depending on the patron level. 

 

And, as an added measure against legal complications, the rulebooks we're making are absolutely free. 


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Project Leader of the Brotherhood of the Lost

 
The Second Son: Narrative of the BOTL Vth Legion Primarch

 

Brotherhood of the Lost has arrived on Patreon

 

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That has been taken into consideration.

 

Which means? Are you guys (and by extension the B&C) in the clear or not?

 

 

It's in the clear. The way it works is that a patron is essentially donating to our work. You can see this elsewhere such as the various 40k fan artists and with the Text-to-Speech Device crew. So long as we don't try to sell anything GW created, we're good. For example, we can't offer a t-shirt with Sanguinius on it. That's obviously trademarked. However, if we were to use our own resources to have a t-shirt with Alexandros or another BotL Primarch, we're good because that would be our own creation.

 

Furthermore, we're not actually being paid for a particular product. We're being paid for a service with additional 'bonuses' depending on the patron level. 

 

And, as an added measure against legal complications, the rulebooks we're making are absolutely free. 

 

 

Okay, cool!



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Simison covered it pretty well already, but just to add something; we primarily work under the safety of Transformative Artwork laws.
And like Simison said, we're not actually selling any product, we are just trying to push the project forward; we also aren't giving out Rules beyond what we create, all base AoD rules still need their rule books.
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This is still very shaky legal ground, as profit is not required to violate IP laws, it's enough that your usage of trademarked or copyrighted IP could have conceivably harmed the IP owner in some way. Creating and providing product in the same basic setting, with other Astartes and Primarchs is pretty shaky ground for derivative works as well. I wish you all the best of luck, but taking money and providing "bonus" physical goods for that money probably isn't different enough from straight sales to hold up if challenged, and hopefully this forum doesn't get dragged into anything if things go sideways.
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Yeah, you're definitely not "in the clear".
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This is still very shaky legal ground, as profit is not required to violate IP laws, it's enough that your usage of trademarked or copyrighted IP could have conceivably harmed the IP owner in some way. Creating and providing product in the same basic setting, with other Astartes and Primarchs is pretty shaky ground for derivative works as well. I wish you all the best of luck, but taking money and providing "bonus" physical goods for that money probably isn't different enough from straight sales to hold up if challenged, and hopefully this forum doesn't get dragged into anything if things go sideways.

 

I can understand the reluctance, but it is also true that TTS is pulling in $4,000 a month despite his content being much more explicitly in line with canon. That said, I thank you for the well-wishes, and want to assure everyone that if GW tells us to stop, then we will stop. We have no intention of engaging in any legal battle with GW and certainly no desire to get B&C into trouble.


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The Second Son: Narrative of the BOTL Vth Legion Primarch

 

Brotherhood of the Lost has arrived on Patreon

 

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I'd still check with an attorney that specializes in IP law, but last I knew parody is protected under Freedom of Speech in the US.

Verified that fan fiction is "derivative work" and does get into gray areas.

https://en.m.wikiped...ith_fan_fiction

Edited by taikishi, 23 May 2018 - 03:34 PM.

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It's been almost a year since our last announcement, but we have a pretty big one today! After a lot of hard work, we are publishing our first three rulebooks! Within the links you'll find the base rulebook Insurrection and two red books/30k codices for the familiar Halcyon Wardens and Harbingers. Not only will you find rules for both legions and for new generic units, but we also included several stories to help immerse oneself in the universe. Enjoy!

 

 

Insurrection
Harbingers
Halcyon Wardens


Edited by simison, 19 April 2019 - 04:10 PM.

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Project Leader of the Brotherhood of the Lost

 
The Second Son: Narrative of the BOTL Vth Legion Primarch

 

Brotherhood of the Lost has arrived on Patreon

 

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Awesome work.


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