TheAlchemist Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 I played a local tournament this past Saturday and struggled against invuln spam lists( tao and custodes). What do we have in codex besides psykers to deal with this? I was hoping mass shooting would deal with the problem, but struggled terribly. Came in 3rd BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Deathatrike can dish out a ton of mortal wounds but it's unreliable and a fire magnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Well done in coming third :tu: As for invulnerable saves galore it's a tough one - the standard is as you mentioned throwing dice at things but this is naturally relying on the odds and as we all know the dice don't always play. It's not a bad default answer but anything to assist in that goes a long way, in this case Mortal Wounds are the obvious solution but it's not always so easy to muster them. There are powers that remove invulnerable saves, but Guard don't have access to them directly and that still relies on a psyker. Custodes are a bit of an outlier though in how they operate with them, so perhaps you shouldn't think about killing directly but also management? All the fancy armour and weapons aren't going to help if they're stuck battling Guardsman squads for example and maybe some dedicated AA for hunting those infamous Jetbikes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halfpint100 Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Weight of fire is out main answer I am afraid, beside smite and maelstrom. Need more flashlights Lasguns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlchemist Posted June 11, 2018 Author Share Posted June 11, 2018 I was afraid as much would be the answer. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenSoldiers Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 It also depends on what the invuln saves are. If they’re a 2+/5++ (TEQ), something like autocannons or heavy bolters work well, Hellhounds also do great for this. You’re not wasting extra AP that gets negated by an invuln. Taking Custodes from 2+ to 3+ really means they’re in the same spot as a space marine. I wouldn’t waste things like lascsnnons or Basilsks on them, but a battlecannon is a great option too. Being AP-2 means youre hitting that Custodes invuln, but not going above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wassa Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Theres ratlings which deal an extra mortal wound on a 6. Vindicare assassin that hits & wounds infantry on a 2+, AP-3 and ignores invulnerable saves. Else psykers or lasgun/punisher/wyvern spam. You could play them at their own game and tie them up with bullgryns or just a cheap unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlchemist Posted June 11, 2018 Author Share Posted June 11, 2018 I do happen to have a vindecare assassin, I never looked at the stats since the edition switch. I'll have to find a way to include it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallas Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Mass Lasgun fire doesn't really care if you have a 4++. For Tau Drones, shoot the drones directly with your small arms, then when they're gone unload your heavies into the bigger targets. Custodes are tougher, especially those bloody Dawneagle Captains. Still, massed Heavy Bolters and Russ Battle Cannons should bring the weight of fire needed to push through 2+/4++. Hydras are likely very good against the Dawneagles (+1 to hit; S7 for wounding on 3s; AP-1 to reduce their 2+, but not wasted vs the 4++; and D2 to chew through their multiple wounds). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 New mega Knight shield breaker missiles! :D ;)I feel like we very recently had a thread on this very topic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Me and a guard player had problems dealing with invuln saves on flyrant spam, and our answer came to be primaris psykers using Psychic maelstorm, smite, and ultimately taking an Aux Detachment for a single space marine Librarian for the Null Zone. We tried throwing more and more shots (I was pumping something like 200+ Bolters and Flamers) while he was throwing the same of lasguns, but we we're losing too many men too quick to win the attrition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Tau can spam Invulns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekhitar Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 An allied marine detachment (throw in some scouts for the board grab) with null zone... or the new predator autocannon knights. S7, AP-1, D3 and 4d3 shots seems custom-designed for swatting Custodes to me. If you are looking to stay pure guard, the obvious answers are harder to come by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Sorta drones, shield generators. Tau can spam Invulns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 Grey knights, primaris psykers + dirtcheap telepatica astropaths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Me and a guard player had problems dealing with invuln saves on flyrant spam, and our answer came to be primaris psykers using Psychic maelstorm, smite, and ultimately taking an Aux Detachment for a single space marine Librarian for the Null Zone. We tried throwing more and more shots (I was pumping something like 200+ Bolters and Flamers) while he was throwing the same of lasguns, but we we're losing too many men too quick to win the attrition. Nullzone need a charge number of 8, and librarians don't have +1 to cast. Which means...only about 41.6% chance to cast it, before opponent's dispel. And it need your librarian coming very close to enemy units... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noigrim Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Grey knight librarians can dish out a ton of MW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Cross Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Exploding Hellhounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Me and a guard player had problems dealing with invuln saves on flyrant spam, and our answer came to be primaris psykers using Psychic maelstorm, smite, and ultimately taking an Aux Detachment for a single space marine Librarian for the Null Zone. We tried throwing more and more shots (I was pumping something like 200+ Bolters and Flamers) while he was throwing the same of lasguns, but we we're losing too many men too quick to win the attrition. Nullzone need a charge number of 8, and librarians don't have +1 to cast. Which means...only about 41.6% chance to cast it, before opponent's dispel. And it need your librarian coming very close to enemy units... All true. A jump pack librarian helps negate the distance issue, as do the fact that flyrants want to be close for smite and other psychic powers. A command reroll helps with the odds, and while it's not a guarantee, if it goes off once suddenly these guys go down super fast, with a couple meltas or plasmas eating them for breakfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 If the enemy spams elite invul units. Then spam plasma. If the enemy spams cheap invul units. Then spam anti horde weapons like punisher gattling cannons. If the enemy spams heretical shenanigans. Then just proclaim exterminartus and make sure you're off planet when you do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Sorta drones, shield generators. Tau can spam Invulns? Drones are painfully easy to neutralise and Shield Generators are generally the least worthwhile Support System. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Sorta drones, shield generators. Tau can spam Invulns? Drones are painfully easy to neutralise and Shield Generators are generally the least worthwhile Support System. Yeah, Drones don't have any targeting restrictions. Shooting them first with Multilasers, HB, Lasguns, etc before using the big guns on their suits is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 If a target had shield drones nearby drown the drones with small arms fire first then put the high power stuff onto your target. The drones are only T4 1W 4++/5+++ so not hard to get rid of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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