hopkins Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 i also pledge to the no spoilers approach too many people formed opinions about wolfsbane without even reading the damn thing, thanks to the very early pre-release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 At least I don’t have to wait as long for this as I did for Wolfsbane! Looking forward to August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotillion Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 It's a good read, with a very strong focus on just a few key themes. The nature of choice, of Chaos, of transformation. As was said there's essentially three stands followed. We get to see new Primarch pairings interact in Lorgar/Fulgrim and Perturabo/Angron whilst the Sons of Horus and the Warmaster himself deal with internal angst. The latter echoes back to the start of the series in a quite delibrate way. In the end we're where we expect to be with the Traitor fleet and the expected participants (expected by me at least) 'on board' on the way to Terra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Those pictures have me intrigued. Do the traitor Primarchs actually come to blows? Or do they just talk a bunch of smack to each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I hope there are no more gratuitous primarch fights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Curze can't hurt us anymore. He is a popsicle in space, for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Haley has a bit of a hard-on for Curze... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 @m_r_parker: Question about... ...wounded Horus. Like some of my concerns heading into Wolfbane, the idea of an all-powerful-Horus-who-can-only-be-hurt-by-the-Emperor-because-he's-that-freakin'-powerful getting wounded by anyone or anything else still makes me scratch my head. How believable/plausible/in-your-own-subjective-opinion-"good" is the explanation/reasoning for it? ...is it the same wound from Wolfbane? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 If any one could PM me spoilers I'd be eternally grateful. I'm so far behind and lack time to catch up currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 @Indefragable - We do get a little focus on Horus in this book through the Sons (Mal and Ekaddon) and early in the book through Zardu Layak. I'm sticking to my pledge of no spoilers here, because this book is worth waiting for and reading unspoilt, but the story of Horus echoes the overall discussion within the novel - in treating with the Dark Gods are you better off pledging to an eternity of servitude to a single god (like some of the Primarchs / Legions / Characters) or refusing to become a slave and battling against damnation whilst also taking their boons? What I will say is that this book puts Horus on the right track for Terra and his showdown with Big-E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 So we get another book where Perturabo is shown well? Definitely can't wait for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlisimo Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 i also pledge to the no spoilers approach too many people formed opinions about wolfsbane without even reading the damn thing, thanks to the very early pre-release This limited strategy of releasing mainline novels as event exclusives or limited editions first is a terrible idea. Some would-be buyers just want to know what happens asap, and don’t feel the need to buy the book once they can get a summary from someone else. Others get turned off by the negative things they inevitably hear about it. And we can’t ignore piracy; without excusing it, you have to expect more of it when you put a book out there while keeping it difficult for most people to buy for a while. And above all, it throws off the timing of the conversations. Normally we’d still be talking about Wolfsbane because it’s been out just long enough for everyone to have read. But we had that conversation months ago (without most of us having read it) and now we’re talking about the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 All of what you say is true. I think a drawback that is at least as big as how they could possibly "wrongfoot" discussion of a book is how copies then end up for sale by scalpers, and you're left debating whether or not you'll bite or not. All of this is encouraged by BL's tactic. On the other hand, if I'm one of the people going to the events, these pre-releases would be one of the things I'd most look forward to and I'd definitely but the books there. It is definitely a plus for the event to have this and draw people in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Well, you can have them available a week or so in "pre-release", but having books available several months before general release just causes issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 This sounds like a winner, finally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Someone post spoilers ASAP. It’s sad we even have to do this dance a third time :(. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_r_parker Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 I for one will not be talking until the book has come out for general release and people have had the chance to read it unspoilt. It’s not long until it comes out, and it’s worth the wait as I’ve said before. There’s plenty I want to talk about on this one, there’s a couple of intentional loose ends and some parts where it’s up to the reader as to what exactly happened, and I want to discuss them here. Just not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDarth151 Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 I for one will not be talking until the book has come out for general release and people have had the chance to read it unspoilt. It’s not long until it comes out, and it’s worth the wait as I’ve said before. There’s plenty I want to talk about on this one, there’s a couple of intentional loose ends and some parts where it’s up to the reader as to what exactly happened, and I want to discuss them here. Just not yet. Ugh. Sounds exactly like my least favourite thing in the entire Heresy. The way BL does ambiguity frustrates me to no end. Probably will read it anyway. Stupid sunk cost fallacy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Excellent book John French really is in the top tier of BL authors now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I love John as much as ADB. He’s brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDarth151 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I like both ADB and French, but for dramatically different reasons. Ironically, what I consider to weaker sides of one, are the stronger sides of the other. If we could somehow combine them into one person, I think they would be the perfect 40k author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchultzChaos Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 So you’re suggesting they should have a child together and then offer it to the Black Library Gods? I’m game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A D-B Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 So you’re suggesting they should have a child together and then offer it to the Black Library Gods? I’m game! We talk, quite a lot, about writing something together. I hope we get around to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 When authors write together is it like dueling pianos or DND role playing? Genuinely curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 When authors write together is it like dueling pianos or DND role playing? Genuinely curious. How I imagine the heresy meetings to go: Nick Kyme: I'm writing something for the salamanders, Aaron when can we expect the final battle to be done? ADB: in four score and twenty years.... NK: OK we might have to get Dan to do that, Gav? GT sat brooding in a corner "loyalty is it's own Nevermore... Graham sings my Sharona with the chorus changed to My Nykona David Annandale: I get to write warhammer horror? Yaaaaay John French is surrounded by explosions and tank noises, causing James swallow to flee David guymer sits admist a pile of already completed novels for the year Chris Wraight is zooming around the table on a push bike Dan Abnett: I am Alpharius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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