ForTheLion Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Hello Everyone, Having come back from a tournament i had quite an interesting case happen as i watched 2 friends play a game...and i would greatly appreciate your insight in the matter as a community... An ork player had a unit of boys that fell back from a character (lets say Captain) during the Space marines turn. He fell back but was still within 3 inches of the captain (but more than 1")...then during the orks turn he he opted not to charge or do anything to the captain for whatever reason...during the orcs charge phase he does not perform any charges but the captain since he is within 3 inches goes ahead and performs a heroic intervention and charges into the boys....we had looked at the Main Rulebook Page 182 and according to that little paragraph deemed it legal as there is nothing stating that he is unable to do so... Reference: Heroic Intervention P 182: After the enemy has completed all of their charge moves, any of your characters that are within 3" of an enemy unit may perform a heroic intervention. Any that do so can move up to 3" so long as they end their move to the closes enemy model. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Shine Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Perfectly legal, and not a charge move so no option to fire Overwatch (but neither is the Caption able to gain any benefits granted for charging). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Yep, he can do that, but its worth noting that the orks would be able to fight back - the "only fight units that you charged rule" that can sometimes operate to protect heroic intervening characters doesn't help you if you are heoic interventioning on your own turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Shine Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Yep, he can do that, but its worth noting that the orks would be able to fight back - the "only fight units that you charged rule" that can sometimes operate to protect heroic intervening characters doesn't help you if you are heoic interventioning on your own turn. Only in very rare circumstances would you be able to Heroic Intervention in your own turn, as it's performed in response to the enemy completing their own charges, which tend only to be in their turn. But yes, if the Ork unit being HIed into did not charge then they may fight the character that just HIed into them. If they did charge then they may only attack the unit they actual charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForTheLion Posted June 18, 2018 Author Share Posted June 18, 2018 Great! Glad to know were all aligned! Thanks for the input! <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diagramdude Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 If an enemy Custodes player uses Stooping Dive to charge you in your own charge phase, couldn't you then heroically intervene with all eligible characters? Your opponent has just completed all of his charge moves... in your own charge phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 If an enemy Custodes player uses Stooping Dive to charge you in your own charge phase, couldn't you then heroically intervene with all eligible characters? Your opponent has just completed all of his charge moves... in your own charge phase. Pretty sure stopping dive is used at the end of the charge phase so it wouldn't change anything, if not then technically you probably could but unlikely to matter. You have to be within 3" to even do a heroic intervention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Shine Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Pretty sure stopping dive is used at the end of the charge phase so it wouldn't change anything, if not then technically you probably could but unlikely to matter. You have to be within 3" to even do a heroic intervention. We know that rules that happen "during the phase" cannot be played after rules that happen "at the end of the phase", but Heroic Intervention simply happens after your opponent has completed all of their charge moves and isn't specifically tied to any part of the Charge phase. I'd say that yes, you can Heroic Intervention in your own Charge phase in response to an enemy Custodes player using Stooping Dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 Pretty sure stopping dive is used at the end of the charge phase so it wouldn't change anything, if not then technically you probably could but unlikely to matter. You have to be within 3" to even do a heroic intervention. We know that rules that happen "during the phase" cannot be played after rules that happen "at the end of the phase", but Heroic Intervention simply happens after your opponent has completed all of their charge moves and isn't specifically tied to any part of the Charge phase. I'd say that yes, you can Heroic Intervention in your own Charge phase in response to an enemy Custodes player using Stooping Dive. Might be something that needs an faq but yes looks like that's how it should be played. Again unlikely to come up very often either way, or to be much help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syward Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 But yes, if the Ork unit being HIed into did not charge then they may fight the character that just HIed into them. If they did charge then they may only attack the unit they actual charged. In this scenario, if the Ork player decided to have their unit fight the character that HI'd, would the character that HI'd be able to fight back (if it's still alive) after the Ork unit finishes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Heroic Intervention isn't a charge and is not restricted by any of the rules around charging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 But yes, if the Ork unit being HIed into did not charge then they may fight the character that just HIed into them. If they did charge then they may only attack the unit they actual charged. In this scenario, if the Ork player decided to have their unit fight the character that HI'd, would the character that HI'd be able to fight back (if it's still alive) after the Ork unit finishes? Sure. Otherwise HI would be pretty useless. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWolfLord Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Its likely the Ork unit would fight the HI’d first as the Ork player chooses a unit to fight first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 from the FAQ on the main rule book, page 5, left coloumn just before the reinforcements section Q: Can you perform Heroic Interventions in your opponent’s charge phase even if they did not declare any charges that phase?A: Yes. Q: Can you ever perform a Heroic Intervention during your own turn? A: No. Sorry Mr. Shine but you can NEVER HI in your turn. Yep, he can do that, but its worth noting that the orks would be able to fight back - the "only fight units that you charged rule" that can sometimes operate to protect heroic intervening characters doesn't help you if you are heoic interventioning on your own turn. Only in very rare circumstances would you be able to Heroic Intervention in your own turn, as it's performed in response to the enemy completing their own charges, which tend only to be in their turn.But yes, if the Ork unit being HIed into did not charge then they may fight the character that just HIed into them. If they did charge then they may only attack the unit they actual charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syward Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 But yes, if the Ork unit being HIed into did not charge then they may fight the character that just HIed into them. If they did charge then they may only attack the unit they actual charged. In this scenario, if the Ork player decided to have their unit fight the character that HI'd, would the character that HI'd be able to fight back (if it's still alive) after the Ork unit finishes? Sure. Otherwise HI would be pretty useless. ^^ Sorry for my ignorance, I'm fairly new to playing and haven't use Heroic Intervention yet and I don't fully understand the game rules yet. So in the scenario, where my character HI'd into within 1" of the Ork unit when the Ork player did not declare any charges, I understand that the Ork player gets to choose to fight since it's their turn, but let's say that my character and the Ork unit are the only units within 1" of each other and the Ork player chooses not to fight the character, would my character that HI'd get to fight, or do I only get to fight in response since it's not my turn? And in general, if I HI'd a character to within 1" of an enemy unit, I'd get to select the character to fight during the fight phase alternations after charging units fight right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallas Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Units cannot choose to not fight. If the one Ork unit and your character are the only eligible units to fight, the Orks must be chosen, and models within 1" (or within 1" of those) must make their attacks. They don't have to pile in/consolidate any closer, but they cannot forfeit their attacks. Regardless, your character would be eligible to make their attacks (and in fact must), because they're within 1" of an enemy unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syward Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 @Kallas: Excellent! Thank you! :tu: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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