b1soul Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Other than Torghun Khan (and Terran WS like him) and (I believe), Terran Raven Guard, and some Terran Night Lords, which other marines strongly resist or reject the culture of their respective legions or chapters. Don't have to be Terran, and I'm talking about inability or unwillingess to assimilate into the legion's dominant culture (typically the homeworld's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slan Drakkos Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Pretty much all of the loyalists at Istvaan III. Especially Saul Tarvitz since he denied the possibility of a promotion and even went against the sanctioned word of Fulgrim himself. I remember in the Slamanders trilogy, there's one member that is a complete weasel that gets on the good side of his brothers to advance his position. He even killed his own Captain and made it look like an Ork killed him so that he could get his friend advanced to the rank of captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCagh Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Maybe Astelan? Garro was sort of at odds with the Barbarus natives. If you count refusing to turn traitor with the rest of the legion you have a lot more. A few captains and the one Lord Commander whose name I can't remember werent totally game with the path the EC were on. Ferrus wasnt too keen on his own legions direction, but that's more just cruel irony. I would like to know more about that random RG that Sevatar vouches for and keeps in the new Kyroptera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slan Drakkos Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just remembered, Curze hated his legion and hated most of his kids. Talos hated how his warband wanted nothing other than plundering and murdering. Argel Tal also hated the direction his legion was going in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 I don't think loyalists of traitor legions necessarily fit the category I'm describing here. Loyalist EC, as far as I know, were perfectly fine with Chemosian culture. They just didn't want to betray the Emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarvek Val Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Sergeant Tsu'gan and Brother Iagon of the Salamanders Chapter in Nick Kyme's 'Salamanders' trilogy. Iagon has already been mentioned by Slan Drakkos. Truth be told, he would fit in well with the Night Lords... He is brutal, ruthless, murderous, and utterly without compassion or morals. He is about as opposite of a Salamander as an Iron Hand would be an Emperor's Child. As Slan Drakes already mentioned, Iagon quite literally murders his own Battle-Captain to secure an advancement for his sergeant, Tsu'gan. Again, this is the kind of behavior you would expect to see in the Night Lords Legion, but certainly not the Salamanders... On the other hand, Tsu'gan simply feels like more of a misfit to his own particular Legion. While he certainly does show compassion, particularly for defenseless mortals, he does not mesh well with his battle-brothers. He hailed from a high-born family on Nocturne, and looks down upon those he considers to be below him, such as the Ignean-born Dak'ir. While he is assertive and determined to gain the command he thinks he "deserves", his actions and desires are initially very self-centered and run contrary to the good of both his company and the Chapter as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Iagon's character always annoyed me, namely because it was just so blatantly "this guy is secretly evil". His name is even just Iago with a letter put on the end so it's not just entirely lifted from Othello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 Well, there's also Jago Sevatarion with I replaced by J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Santar Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 One could maybe argue that the entirety of the Fallen fall (oh-ho-ho) into this category, and that that was the entire source of the problem that left them feeling isolated from the Imperium and the Lion. (among other heretical things) Although the Dark Angels comes across as two Legions in one, much like the Ravens, so maybe it's not as appropriate for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 i agree that tarvitz has come to be seen as an outlier of his legion, which i’m not a fan of, since he originally represented the dichotomy of its heart sol talgron of the word bearers was a similar “line soldier” salt-of-the-earth-type, out of step with the fanaticism of his legion to the point where dorn singled him out for it, saying he could have been an imperial fist the destroyers as a chapter amongst the ultramarines, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 The ultramarines destroyer chapter. I want to say its the 22nd? Basically RG didn't like their style of warfare and kept them out of the limelight. Great bit of fluff from tempest Edit: ninjad by mc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingo Pech Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Amadeus DuCaine, Iron Tenth, found the Clan-structure, Ferrus Manus introduced in the Iron Hands (and former Storm Walkers) archaic and rigid and he didn't like what the Legion was becoming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 I would the Word Bearers Narek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Whilst Nick Kymes' Salamanders books aren't renowned for their subtlety, they do manage a fairly memorable portrayal of what it is like to be an outsider inside the Chapter. This is at its finest in book two: Firedrake. It's before the character, Tsu'gan, goes way over the edge in his fairly standard narrative arc, but Nick's effort to show him as 'another kind of Salamander', a masochistic, proud, glory-seeking sort comes off extremely well. (Indeed, more plausible and dimensional, I think, than his Da'kir & Ba'ken duo, who are cut from the same cloth as Ventris & Pasanius.) Tsu'gan isn't a misfit wholly, but it's an interesting study of an 'edge case' where he's very out of step with many of the Chapter. (A cynic in a chapter of idealists, by Kyme's take.) ---- I'd love to see more of this sort of thing, more factions internal to the chapters, more schisms, more 'novel characters' or cunning inversions - the Salamander obsessed with plasma, the bike-loving Imperial Fists, the White Scar whose idea of hunting is much more about elaborate traps. And that's just obvious nnes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I'm totally with Xisor. Say what you want about Kyme and his Salamanders, BUT it is the only time I've read something like this in any Space Marine centered story. Although they are indoctrinated with the same facts, data, chapter culture, etc. I just don't buy that everyone stays the same. By that I mean, usually we got a bunch of hero Space Marines, regardless of them being maniacs, glory seekers, zealots or whatever. They are basically the same. Iagon is a great example of an ambitious Space Marine. Usually it's like: "Yeah, our captain has fallen. Wait. Me? Oh, brothers. You honor me with your decision, I'll proudly accept. FOR THE EMPEROR!" You know what I mean? Compared to Chaos Space Marines, regular Marines are in that specific case, the same. I would love to see some diversity like having a very ambitious Space Marine, who wants to become Chapter Master or a real feud between captains and their companies or something similar. As a note: I haven't read everything BL had released so maybe I'm missing another good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 yeah, i wouldn’t mind an ambitious character who isn’t a bad dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 The whole of clan morragul in 30k it was where ferrus put all the misfits and psychos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 yeah, i wouldn’t mind an ambitious character who isn’t a bad dude Shiban Khan strikes me as one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 I'm totally with Xisor. Say what you want about Kyme and his Salamanders, BUT it is the only time I've read something like this in any Space Marine centered story. Although they are indoctrinated with the same facts, data, chapter culture, etc. I just don't buy that everyone stays the same. By that I mean, usually we got a bunch of hero Space Marines, regardless of them being maniacs, glory seekers, zealots or whatever. They are basically the same. Iagon is a great example of an ambitious Space Marine. Usually it's like: "Yeah, our captain has fallen. Wait. Me? Oh, brothers. You honor me with your decision, I'll proudly accept. FOR THE EMPEROR!" You know what I mean? Compared to Chaos Space Marines, regular Marines are in that specific case, the same. I would love to see some diversity like having a very ambitious Space Marine, who wants to become Chapter Master or a real feud between captains and their companies or something similar. As a note: I haven't read everything BL had released so maybe I'm missing another good example. I recomend Legion of the Dammed and Death of Antagonis. These books is what you're looking for. Plenty of bad blood and animosities amongst loyslist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 On loyalist animosities, still waiting for a Badab series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 If they did a book series around the FW portrayal of the Badab War, that would be absolutely amazing. ...and not just because I collect Lamenters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 The only downside is the outcomes are all known at a pretty high level of detail (FW books)...so it would be about execution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 With the right authors it would be superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 By right authours, do you mean Wraight, ADB, Dan, French...maybe some Haley and MacNiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Yep, we'll give them a novel each, or a Chapter each, or something like that, and let them loose. I'd love to see Huron given "Talon of Horus" or "Horus Rising" treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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