Is Chronus "on the field" before his vehicle explodes?

[Shas Oh Dear]

So I'm looking at taking chronus for a marine detachment in my army and was going to take him as my warlord.

 

Question is: does chronus count as being 'on the battlefield' before his tank explodes?

[Joukernaut]

I'm not sure why it would matter, but I'm voting no. He's embarked as the driver in a vehicle, so not on the board.

[Brother Captain Ed]

He is. He is the vehicle. He's not an infantry model until the vehicle dies and he is most definitely not embarked.

 

Not sure why it matters though?

[Shas Oh Dear]

The reason it matters is that if I want him to regenerate cp he needs to count as being on the battlefield or it has no effect.

[Ishagu]

No, he's inside the vehicle and doesn't count as being on the field.

[Cruor Vault]

No, he's inside the vehicle and doesn't count as being on the field.

 

I'd disagree with that interpretation. 

 

"A single ULTRAMARINES...  ...in your army can take Sergeant Chronus as an upgrade."

 

Chronus is explicitly listed as being an upgrade to a vehicle.  In all other contexts of upgrades they are present ON the unit at all times.

 

It is only when the vehicle is reduced to 0 wounds that Chronus is placed using the emergency disembarkation rules, but he's never a true passenger.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

RAI Chronus never merges with his tank so sorry .

[Ishagu]

The rules say he is inside the tank. Rules for models embarked indicate he isn't counted as being on the table.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Exactly - take the cheese elsewhere thank you .

[Cruor Vault]

The rules say he is inside the tank. Rules for models embarked indicate he isn't counted as being on the table.

Where in his rules does it say Chronus is a passenger in the tank and not part of the tank itself? 

 

The only time the passenger rules come into play is when placing Chonus after his vehicle is destroyed.

[Joukernaut]

No matter what you say, still voting no.

Sure, there’s probably a case to be made if you really want it.

But chronus is not an upgrade, he’s the driver/gunner. That’s why he can get out when the tank blows up instead of blowing up with the tank.

This kind of wishfull rules interpretation bothers me personally.

If you want to use you interpretation, go for it.

But as in this post, be prepared for heavy resistance during a game.

[Rogue]

The rules say he is inside the tank. Rules for models embarked indicate he isn't counted as being on the table.

But usually, an embarked model can’t use any abilities - once in a rhino, a captain’s aura doesn’t work, and a librarian can’t use his powers.

Chronus doesn’t follow that rule, as his ability remains in play. In that sense at least, you could argue that he must be ‘on the table’ because he can still affect the game.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

His ability doesn’t confer the WLT - those are two separate things. That’s beyond even a super stretch.

[Rogue]

I wasn’t really thinking about the warlord side of things, and any associated traits. Just whether he was ‘on the table’. And his BS2+ thing being active suggests that he is.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

It’s already been mentioned he counts as in the tank which means he isn’t on the table. His kit comes with a model you put on the table when his tank explodes.

[Ishagu]

Just looked at the rules again. They state you use the vehicle profile with the exception of the ballistic skill.

 

That means the vehicle is not a character and doesn't have a Warlord trait.

[Cruor Vault]

No matter what you say, still voting no.

Sure, there’s probably a case to be made if you really want it.

But chronus is not an upgrade, he’s the driver/gunner. That’s why he can get out when the tank blows up instead of blowing up with the tank.

This kind of wishfull rules interpretation bothers me personally.

If you want to use you interpretation, go for it.

But as in this post, be prepared for heavy resistance during a game.

I've never gotten any resistance using Chronus as my warlord. 

 

Chronus benefitting from his warlord trait when commanding his tank is hardly gamebreaking.  He's losing all the benefits of being a character.

 

You call my interpretation wishful thinking, but you're the one making up rules.

[Ishagu]

That's not the case. A tank isn't a character and cannot be given a Warlord trait.

Chronus can, but if he's not in active play then he can't use it. Whilst he's in a tank he isn't on the field.

[BluejayJunior]

I'm gonna go with no as well. His rules say you use the abilities and keywords of the vehicle. The vehicle does not get the Sgt Cronus keyword, so it wouldn't count as Sgt Cronus. It also says when it is destroyed to set up him as a model disembarking from a destroyed transport, which implies that he is embarked on the vehicle and wouldn't be on the table. 

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

The good news is Chronus can repair his tank while embarked so there is that.

[Shas Oh Dear]

Yeah, after reading it for the 100th time it seems pretty clear cut. He can't use anything to do with his profile eg being a character etc until he's on foot. I've replaced him with a chaplain dread in my list. Thanks guys, I thought this is how it'd work but I wanted to make sure before I gave up 2 lascanons.