HighMarshalAmp Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 The scheme on the left of the pic below, the predominantly black one, is described as that of a Veteran of the Terran War. Now is it a scheme you'd paint IF veterans in (like white helmets in some 40k chapters), is it for Terran Veterans only, is it for Legionnaires of any rank who fought in that war... So, basically, would it be fluffy to paint a Tac squad in that scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Black armour= "veteran of the catastrophe of the War of Howling Gyre" Not Terran (you meant Unification?) Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 The inverted scheme seems to be a mark of veterancy the way Luna Wolves 1st Company and veteran assault units wear black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 The veteran of the howling gyre thing might also be a specific thing because later on in the book (possibly the next page) you have this terminator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted July 4, 2018 Author Share Posted July 4, 2018 Black armour= "veteran of the catastrophe of the War of Howling Gyre" Not Terran (you meant Unification?) Wars. I absolutely meant that - I was thinking about the white lightning bolt while I was typing... Now a look at the 30k Battle Scribe list tells me that there aren't any different types of Terminators, so yor're right, it seems the Gyre Veterancy is something in itself... One final question - I've noticed that every 30k IF Marine has some stripe down his face. Erm... what's the deal with that? Would I be right in assuming that a Sergeant has a red helmet with a white stripe and the rest is kinda all over the place with no real consensus? Edit: found this when looking for something completely different! Still doesn't really clarify anything though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 At this point, it might help you to get your hands on HH3 Extermination because even the fluff talks about variant schemes; one of them having a Starfield as their company heraldry to mimic the constellation tattoos on their skin, etc. But in general, Black for the IF is used to signify being a veteran in general. A Veteran of what is up to the person painting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 Alright, got the book. At least it gives me justification to do what I think is the most befitting :) There is, however, this picture around, cited as being taken from Book 3 as well; https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fc/f0/34/fcf034ff10edf0260e152b9c18a3e10b--space-marine-warhammer-.jpg It isn't, though. Have you seen it before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Alright, got the book. At least it gives me justification to do what I think is the most befitting There is, however, this picture around, cited as being taken from Book 3 as well; https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fc/f0/34/fcf034ff10edf0260e152b9c18a3e10b--space-marine-warhammer-.jpg It isn't, though. Have you seen it before? Yeah that is in another book - isn't it from Book 4: Conquest? Hell it could even be from Book 5 haha - I'll have a look after work and see if I can grab the fluff for that guy. I think he was a Veteran Breacher or something who gets killed by Sons of Horus, there's a battered looking Tartaros Terminator Sergeant in the same book I think. The thing with the Heresy setting is that the Legions being so large and many Companies/Chapters within them have their own traditions and stuff anything goes really. The 4th Chapter from the Ultramarines some of them have green shoulder plates for example. EDIT: Wait nevermind I found in on 40kwiki for you: "Pre-Heresy Imperial Fists Sergeant clad in Mk III Power Armour. Note the crossed mace heraldry granted in recognition of his actions during the defence of the frigate Eon of Stone in 856.M30. Extensive battle damage sustained during the defence of the Bastion Kvet during the invasion of Manachea." http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Fists Right at the bottom in the gallery, it also has the battered Tartaros Terminator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Yeah that Image and the battered Tartaros Terminator are from Conquest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 There might be some in Retribution too. Imperial Fists assist the assault in Bodt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 Okay... there's Tactical, Assault and Breacher Squads who seem to differ in helmet colors. No idea if Tactical Support Squads have their own thing going as well. Also, Veterans seem to have their heraldry on their armor rather than their helmets. Also, the Sergeants seem to have different helmets in the aforementioned three types of Squads, with Veteran Sergeants having Veteran heraldry on their helmets as well. Now the yellow helmet with a grey stripe can be found on both a Veteran Assault Legionary and a Heavy Support Legionary, so the exact schemes seem to differ from Company to Company. But I should have gotten the general distinctions right... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pheidias Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 The Imperial Fists were a large legion with quite a bit of variations in colouration at various points in time and for various company-specific heraldries and campaigns. There, fixed and good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 The Imperial Fists were a large legion with quite a bit of variations in colouration at various points in time and for various company-specific heraldries and campaigns. There, fixed and good to go.That.You could as well paint some Veterans as Unification Wars veterans with lots of silver and just yellow arms. Should work as well. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 For what it’s worth, I disagree with the black scheme = veteran theory. In the assault marines case (Gunther) the maltese cross on his right pauldron shows he’s a veteran, the black scheme is a ‘battle honour’ from the War of the Howling Gyre. In the terminators case (Kord) the veteran status is denoted by the red armorial shield, the laurals on his right shoulder plate and the fact he’s in terminator armour. It states that he’s in a black scheme is due to his company’s heraldry not his veteran status. With the legion so big and split across the galaxy and with black being such a predominant colour amongst the IF I’ve used it for my whole force (vets / terminators / breachers / tac squads / quad mortars / dreads / vehicles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zopha Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Okay... there's Tactical, Assault and Breacher Squads who seem to differ in helmet colors. No idea if Tactical Support Squads have their own thing going as well. There's a variety of helmet schemes,it's mentioned in book 3 "many variant helm markings were bring formalised into an approved scheme" with a range of schemes being present in the Phall fleet. They have it laid out fairly well on page 63 of Book 3 but it's not comprehensive. You have to sort through the descriptions from IF marines in that book and others but IMO it should be a bit vague or open-ended so players can make their own choice if they want to. I started making a collection of images I can use for reference when trying to make more unique marines if it's useful to you https://imgur.com/a/PxHQU. Red seems to mark a veteran if it's used on an icon like the cross, the rest, like helmets, seem to down to the company or role choice with no single "approved scheme". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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