Token Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 If i spray a model with Mechanicus Standard grey, would i perhaps need to paint over again with paint? Is it perhaps necessery to spray it black first? Please excuse Spelling, grammar mistakes and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 They're essentially an undercoat and first basecoat rolled in to one; you can spray your models with the Grey and then immediately wash and highlight it, should you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 So no black spray is needed first? Thanks for the reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Depends on how you are using them, I've found some to be awful (Meph red in some cases) but most to be amazing (Zandri Dust, Retributor Armour, Leadbelcher etc). Personally I'd always give a quick spray of black/ grey first anyway to ensure the coat is firm, even and other paint holds to it (especially if using something like resin). Also, my god LESS IS MORE. Don't overdo it or you'll have some seriously clogged details with some of the paints. If you are in the UK, Halfords Black Matt and Grey Primers are an amazing first coat and my favorite way to get an even base to work from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 But most to be amazing (Zandri Dust, Retributor Armour, Leadbelcher etc). That's my experience, especially Retributor Armour which I have to say blew me away in terms of the smoothness and shine of it. Suppose it should do at ~£20 a pop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbringer Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 You can just use them without any undercoat, although i've used black and white to undercoat with zenital highlighting and then used the colour primer over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dread05 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Depends on how you are using them, I've found some to be awful (Meph red in some cases) but most to be amazing (Zandri Dust, Retributor Armour, Leadbelcher etc). Personally I'd always give a quick spray of black/ grey first anyway to ensure the coat is firm, even and other paint holds to it (especially if using something like resin). Also, my god LESS IS MORE. Don't overdo it or you'll have some seriously clogged details with some of the paints. If you are in the UK, Halfords Black Matt and Grey Primers are an amazing first coat and my favorite way to get an even base to work from. I can second that retributor armour spray is very good, I've sprayed it without even undercoating. About mephiston red, I just got a can, but I have yet to use it. What's so bad about it? I intend to use it over chaos black spray to mass base coat some models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakkomaster Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 So far I had the chance to try Mephiston Red, Macragge Blue, Leadbelcher, The Fang and Caliban Green. I tried using them both over a sprayed Chaos Black undercoat and straight on the grey plastic, and had no issues of frosting, flaking and such. I did have some problems of clogged details with Mephiston Red the first time I used it: I got too heavy-handed on some Tau Fire Warriors and it indeed clogged some details, so my personal recommendation for lighter colours (red for esample) is to use multiple thin layers leaving each of them to dry, or finish with a thin coat of pot-paint like you d with primers. With the darker colours such as blue and green I had no problems at all and I had good, smooth results on plastic after the first coat, I think they're fantastic. Anyway, that's what I learned from my experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Depends on how you are using them, I've found some to be awful (Meph red in some cases) but most to be amazing (Zandri Dust, Retributor Armour, Leadbelcher etc). Personally I'd always give a quick spray of black/ grey first anyway to ensure the coat is firm, even and other paint holds to it (especially if using something like resin). Also, my god LESS IS MORE. Don't overdo it or you'll have some seriously clogged details with some of the paints. If you are in the UK, Halfords Black Matt and Grey Primers are an amazing first coat and my favorite way to get an even base to work from. I can second that retributor armour spray is very good, I've sprayed it without even undercoating. About mephiston red, I just got a can, but I have yet to use it. What's so bad about it? I intend to use it over chaos black spray to mass base coat some models. It clogs and congeals in recesses REALLY easily. I have used it since with some better technique in mind and its best to just give anything a quick once over, it'll look quite faint then dry a nice red. One more hit and it will look great though. Just keep the sprays brief and thin, and as soon as you have the tiniest inkiling of "okay this all looks red"... STOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dread05 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 That happens regardless of whether I use chaos black as an undercoat? Or is it even worse then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I intend to use it over chaos black spray to mass base coat some models. Black will kill some of the vibrancy of the reds. If you're going for cold/subdued or muddy colours that is fine. But if not, you'd be better off priming with your base colour (red), or grey/white imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dread05 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I intend to use it over chaos black spray to mass base coat some models. Black will kill some of the vibrancy of the reds. If you're going for cold/subdued or muddy colours that is fine. But if not, you'd be better off priming with your base colour (red), or grey/white imho. I tend to paint by blood angels a really dark red, like dried blood, so the chaos black undercoat is fine. I've been doing it with mephiston red from the pot, but there are too many models unpainted now and I'm looking for a swift solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Crimson Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Honestly I think they are almost all fine. The only one I don’t like is corax white. Tricky, dusty and have to get several coats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dread05 Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 I went through with it. pretty good results, no detail was lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightSilver Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 I have to say I love the coloured sprays and have used them without undercoating first without any issues.However I warm them up in hot (but not too hot and definitely not boiling!) water first which aids in the mixing and gives a better coat.As has been said multiple thin layers are best but I've pretty much always managed in about 2 coats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted July 21, 2018 Author Share Posted July 21, 2018 Spraying in rain seems to be a bad idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlson793 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Yes, humidity is your enemy when spraying. 50% humidity or below with no/light wind. Never go above 60% humidity with a decent (10-15 mph). Anything above those limits has a high chance of giving you a noticeably rough surface.This poor Dreadnought was primered in 60%-65% humidity. I didn't notice the wind had dropped off. You can really see the resulting roughness on the right torso and left arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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