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End of the Renegades?


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While checking my Mails I got a message from the FW Newsletter, turns out they put all the Chaos Renegade stuff (Not the tanks that the Astra Militarum uses) on last chance to buy.

 

While I think everybody hoped here to get better rules or at least an FAQ seems to me FW wants to end the production line?!

This could explain why there was little to no treatment at all in the FAQ's so far except the Chapter Approved taking away the only useful HQ we had.

 

What do you guys think?

 

Or could be the stuff going over to GW for a big release in the next campaign in the future as they did with Eye of Terror Codex?:wub:

One can dream right? :whistling:

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Dang, i had a feeling that was coming. I suppose the line is well over a decade old.

 

Ditto hoping GW takes it over. I still play mine under the FW index list occasionally, but you almost have to have sonething allied. Not having access to any strategems sucks.

 

CSM Cultists are good and all but a bit pedestrian.

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Forgeworld is basically going 100% into Specialist games. It's all a matter a time until most 40k stuff is gone. 30k I'm not even sure if they want to continue sadly...

 

Krash

 

Is this something that Forge World has said (i.e., is there an official source for this)? Or is this just speculation?

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Forgeworld is basically going 100% into Specialist games. It's all a matter a time until most 40k stuff is gone. 30k I'm not even sure if they want to continue sadly...

 

Krash

 

Is this something that Forge World has said (i.e., is there an official source for this)? Or is this just speculation?

 

 

At this point speculation, but I dare to say the signs are pretty clear. Right now I think they will not bring a new Index, let the stuff be there in 8th Edition for anybody who wants to play. With a new Edition it probably will not be continued.

 

That said looking back at the past 20 years of the game, armies vanished and reappeared. I hope we are not gone as long as the Genestealers were, if we should be discontinued.

 

As I have said in other places. 

 

I know few R&H armies that used the Forgeworld line of infantry. It is not a surprise models that were not selling have gone. 

 

Totally reasonable, you pay way more this way. Much easier to buy standard Guardsmen and just rip the Aquilas off as I do (Very satisfying actually).

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I have a couple hundred Vraks Militia men I still use, but nowadays with plastic Cultists and a host of third party companies doing great stuff I imagine the old Vraks stuff isnt a big seller at those premium prices.

 

FW has not made any indication that they intend to produce any rules sets since 8th arrived. So yeah they may be done with 40k in that sense.

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Aww man, this is sad to hear, I think I have 20ish of the Militia and about 6 of the ogryn berserker boys. Most of the rest of my ranks are chaos cultists and conversions with cadia and chaos bits.

 

It will be interesting to see what Forge World will cut/add next.

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I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but I'm somewhat optimistic that the introduction of the mutants in Rogue Trader is a prelude to a 'mainline' GW-produced Lost and the Damned release. With their expressed intent to focus more on Chaos and surprising releases like Genestealer Cult (plus the rise in sales from soup lists) it seems more likely than ever. As I said on the Rogue Trader thread, GW rarely put this kind of stuff out in a vacuum.

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I share the cautious optimism, Lord Marshal, and am looking forward to the gellarpox muties.

 

I only own a single rogue psyker from the FW renegade line. I much prefer converting my own ragtag regiment. Paying through the nose for weirdly homogenous resin rebels ain’t my cup of tea.

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I honestly don't know what to do with my unfinished renegades at this point. If prices on ebay for OOP H&R stuff rise, I might even downsize what I got. At least I know where I'll get my replacement bits from now on.

 

It just sucks when you've stuck to this army despite the cost and shoddy rules.

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I honestly don't know what to do with my unfinished renegades at this point. If prices on ebay for OOP H&R stuff rise, I might even downsize what I got. At least I know where I'll get my replacement bits from now on.

 

It just sucks when you've stuck to this army despite the cost and shoddy rules.

There is always loyalist guard counts-as. A lot of us do that already, given how half-baked the renegade list is.
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I'll second loyalist guard counts as. I think a bit of the problem is that R&H is currently basically just bad guard. It's part of Spiky Loyalists Syndrome, they're just spiky guard with less stuff. I have a feeling with Rogue Trader that we may get a mortal Chaos army, but that it will be very unlike the current idea for the army. There may still be cultists and the like, but I think warp mutants, corrupted stuff, daemon possessed machines, etc are probably more likely, both for reasons of IP defense but also to create a viable, unique army theme and aesthetic. I'm uncharacteristically optimistic that something like that is what will happen, which I'm sure I'll like but which will not incorporate a lot of my existing chaotic stuff.
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Sisters of battle are rumored to release some time next year - maybe we'll get a sisters vs LatD scenario box or something.

LatD would make great enemies for sisters to purge.

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My assumption is that the index is the last renegade guard rules we'll ever see, but I’d be thrilled if GW actually gave them the plastic army/rulebook treatment some day. Even just throwing a bone the way they did with renegade knights that restricts units like ministorum priests and the like. But again, that seems super unlikely. Loyalists codex is the way to go, sadly.
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As much as it bothers for the love for the Renegades, I think Juggernut is right.

I would love to see LatD against Sisters of Battle, for me there would be never a greater Box to buy properly, but we must admit that we are a small community playing traitor guard. For the future I see this the last rule set we will get.

That said I had success with them even in tournaments tabling people in second turn when spamming tanks and using Cultists as screen.

So I guess we can still play as long we do not play a friendly game against that guy.

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My dream is that once all the codexes are updated, GW would start to release books to push the narrative forward. These books would include army variants, and that one of these would be a variant of the Astra Militarum army that allows you to represent Renegades.

 

It would be a list of new Regimental Traits that remove the IMPERIUM keyword and replace with CHAOS (amongst other effects, of course!). Such a detachment would not gain access to AM Stratagems, but would have its own list of Stratagems instead.

 

The same could then be done for AdMech to represent the Dark Mechanicus, or Knights to represent Renegade Knights. The way that subfaction traits work now makes this approach very plausible, IMHO.

 

A man can dream...

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It would be really great if GW did a true Lost and the Damned faction - esp if FW is getting out of that scene. The Eye of Terror campaign was one of the high points of 40K history imo.

Heck they could easily do an adaptable sprue similar to the Genestealer Cult Neophyte upgrade for Renegades, add in some spiky vehicle parts etc. Id buy em.

 

On that note in the mean time; playing a human based GSC list isnt a bad option if you like ambush tactics - Ogryn could easily rep Aberrants. Cant use Valks unfortunately afaik.

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It would be really great if GW did a true Lost and the Damned faction - esp if FW is getting out of that scene. The Eye of Terror campaign was one of the high points of 40K history imo.

Heck they could easily do an adaptable sprue similar to the Genestealer Cult Neophyte upgrade for Renegades, add in some spiky vehicle parts etc. Id buy em.

 

On that note in the mean time; playing a human based GSC list isnt a bad option if you like ambush tactics - Ogryn could easily rep Aberrants. Cant use Valks unfortunately afaik.

Mutant hybrids can also be Mutants, and Genestealers especially killy Mutants. It's actually a pretty good list and I've thought about doing just that.

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Absolutely, Ive been running some GSC lately, the Cult Ambush rules are really fun, offers lots of tactical options. Pretty much meets the modelling criteria.

 

Goliaths could be made to represent a variety of IFVs.

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  • 3 weeks later...

So far every mail I sent to FW got ignored, but on my salty post on FB I got an "answer". I am curious if something comes of it.

Have you gotten an answer on any feedback or rule suggestions other than generic stuff?

 

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So far every mail I sent to FW got ignored, but on my salty post on FB I got an "answer". I am curious if something comes of it.

Have you gotten an answer on any feedback or rule suggestions other than generic stuff?

 

Huh. Sounds pretty non-committal... and I don't see much motivation for fixing R&H rules, seeing as how they were discontinued.

 

Unfortunate. Malefic lords getting nerfed and then seeing the rule of three and tentative changes to smite feels really bad. The cost hike should be reverted.

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RIP R&H! It was a good ride but siege of Vraks has finally ended. I dont know what came first, the bad rules or bad sales but its no surprise they scabbed this old line. Now we are stuck with two bad options. To play with the actual yet poor R&H rules that give no real chances against codex armies(until these rules get too old to be used). Or go with AM rules and lose some fun and cool units in the trade. Dont expect any future support from FW to R&H as the only ones economically profiting would be re-casters.

 

I hope that they will forget R&H from CA that we get our old and cheaper points back, but it wont happen. They will just take the lazy route and copypaste our points from previous CA.

 

At this point R&H only real hope is get GW to do a codex for them, possible but not too likely. My Vraksian garrison is sitting on the display. Might take them against a codex army in a friendly game and sneak in 500p of extra units to compensate for the rules :).

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