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When Russ left Terra during Wolfsbane, didn't he take all of the remaining Vylka Fenryka with him? As I read it the only wolves not to join Russ on his assault on the Vengeful Spirit were those who were defending the Aett and those who couldn't answer his summons to Terra. Those that survived the assassination attempt on Horus were then chased down by Abaddon to Yarrant whilst the remainder of the traitor fleet made for Beta Garmon and onwards to Terra.

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I think the siege should focus on the loyalists legions that have waited for their day in the sun, ( traitor too come to think of it). I want as little shattered legions, Ultramarines or Wolves as possible. 

 

I want my Imperial army, my mechanicus, blood angels, fists, death guard etc to be the highlights, the focus, the essence of the siege. 

 

 

So to specifically answer your question, a cameo or off hand mention IF they get anything assuming they are still on planet. 

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Anyone care to speculate or wishlist?

 

What will this pack of furry executioners get up to during the Siege? What would you like to see? Perhaps a Wulfen incident? Glorious last stand at a choke point?

 

They'll show up.

 

 

I think the siege should focus on the loyalists legions that have waited for their day in the sun, ( traitor too come to think of it). I want as little shattered legions, Ultramarines or Wolves as possible. 

 

I want my Imperial army, my mechanicus, blood angels, fists, death guard etc to be the highlights, the focus, the essence of the siege. 

 

 

So to specifically answer your question, a cameo or off hand mention IF they get anything assuming they are still on planet. 

 

Let's say there'll be fifty Siege books. There won't be, but let's say there will for the purposes of this example. Forty-four of them can focus on the factions you listed, but you don't need all fifty. You have enough already. You don't need to boil everything down to just them in order to get the essence. They're the big deals there, but not the only deals there.

 

Also, narratively, you don't need a main character to be from the faction being focused on. It's often more effective when they're not, as it's a good foundation to explore the culture or faction in question, and highlight what's cool and different about it.

 

As it happens, I agree with you: I want the unseen stuff to finally shine, which of course it will. But I'm not against seeing some major air time from other angles too, if they'll be interesting or if, say, they were set up years ago to be there because their outlook will be insightful.

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Anyone care to speculate or wishlist?

 

What will this pack of furry executioners get up to during the Siege? What would you like to see? Perhaps a Wulfen incident? Glorious last stand at a choke point?

 

They'll show up.

 

 

I think the siege should focus on the loyalists legions that have waited for their day in the sun, ( traitor too come to think of it). I want as little shattered legions, Ultramarines or Wolves as possible. 

 

I want my Imperial army, my mechanicus, blood angels, fists, death guard etc to be the highlights, the focus, the essence of the siege. 

 

 

So to specifically answer your question, a cameo or off hand mention IF they get anything assuming they are still on planet. 

 

Let's say there'll be fifty Siege books. There won't be, but let's say there will for the purposes of this example. Forty-four of them can focus on the factions you listed, but you don't need all fifty. You have enough already. You don't need to boil everything down to just them in order to get the essence. They're the big deals there, but not the only deals there.

 

Also, narratively, you don't need a main character to be from the faction being focused on. It's often more effective when they're not, as it's a good foundation to explore the culture or faction in question, and highlight what's cool and different about it.

 

As it happens, I agree with you: I want the unseen stuff to finally shine, which of course it will. But I'm not against seeing some major air time from other angles too, if they'll be interesting or if, say, they were set up years ago to be there because their outlook will be insightful.

 

 

On a semi related note. Are we going to see Zephon finally reuniting with his legion? And just how...permanent are the fixes Arkhan made for him?

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On a semi related note. Are we going to see Zephon finally reuniting with his legion? And just how...permanent are the fixes Arkhan made for him?

 

I will make cynical prediction that they will fail just in time for him to be killed by one of the Chaos characters for the sake of Grimdarking the story.

 

You see, Blood Angels managed to make through Heresy relatively untouched, so we will need to kill a lot of them to make up for the lost time, and Zephon is relatively unimportant character that audience feels emotional connection to. Perfect target.

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Let's say there'll be fifty Siege books. There won't be, but let's say there will for the purposes of this example. Forty-four of them can focus on the factions you listed, but you don't need all fifty. You have enough already. You don't need to boil everything down to just them in order to get the essence. They're the big deals there, but not the only deals there.

Also, narratively, you don't need a main character to be from the faction being focused on. It's often more effective when they're not, as it's a good foundation to explore the culture or faction in question, and highlight what's cool and different about it.

 

 

 

The same way the first 50 books did? You will forgive me if i dont hold my breath. Best case BL pull out a win and everyone gets their cake and eats it too, but no one ever says prepare for the best and expect the worst do they? 

 

I mean dont get me wrong, between BL and FW we should get enough solid material to make sure everyone is placated, but i fully our fair share of battle for the abyss's and badly thought out retcons in the siege arc.

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Battle for the Abyss was 45 books ago, though and no book has been that bad or random since.

 

And I was having a lovely night until y'all brought that travesty up...

 

But with regards to 'Howl of the Hearthworld', I want to see them in their element, doing what they were born and tasked to do by none other than Leman Russ himself - protecting the Imperium by rooting out treachery. I would love to see them in the midst of the siege, hunting down enemy commanders and high priority targets. I think a glorious last stand would be an underwhelming and undeserved end for the pack, especially as I feel that they have so much more depth that can be explored as the Siege enters its final stages.

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Battle for the Abyss was 45 books ago, though and no book has been that bad or random since.

 

Fear to Tread was worse.

 

 

I think not.

 

The worst, is anything Raven Guard, and/or, the entire Vulkan (Lives!) arc. All of it.

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Anyone care to speculate or wishlist?

 

What will this pack of furry executioners get up to during the Siege? What would you like to see? Perhaps a Wulfen incident? Glorious last stand at a choke point?

 

They'll show up.

 

 

I think the siege should focus on the loyalists legions that have waited for their day in the sun, ( traitor too come to think of it). I want as little shattered legions, Ultramarines or Wolves as possible. 

 

I want my Imperial army, my mechanicus, blood angels, fists, death guard etc to be the highlights, the focus, the essence of the siege. 

 

 

So to specifically answer your question, a cameo or off hand mention IF they get anything assuming they are still on planet. 

 

Let's say there'll be fifty Siege books. There won't be, but let's say there will for the purposes of this example. Forty-four of them can focus on the factions you listed, but you don't need all fifty. You have enough already. You don't need to boil everything down to just them in order to get the essence. They're the big deals there, but not the only deals there.

 

Also, narratively, you don't need a main character to be from the faction being focused on. It's often more effective when they're not, as it's a good foundation to explore the culture or faction in question, and highlight what's cool and different about it.

 

As it happens, I agree with you: I want the unseen stuff to finally shine, which of course it will. But I'm not against seeing some major air time from other angles too, if they'll be interesting or if, say, they were set up years ago to be there because their outlook will be insightful.

 

 

 

ALL 50 OF THOSE BOOKS BETTER BE ABOUT SIGISMUND BEING UNLEASHED, DO YOU HEAR ME?!

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Anyone care to speculate or wishlist?

 

What will this pack of furry executioners get up to during the Siege? What would you like to see? Perhaps a Wulfen incident? Glorious last stand at a choke point?

 

They'll show up.

 

 

I think the siege should focus on the loyalists legions that have waited for their day in the sun, ( traitor too come to think of it). I want as little shattered legions, Ultramarines or Wolves as possible. 

 

I want my Imperial army, my mechanicus, blood angels, fists, death guard etc to be the highlights, the focus, the essence of the siege. 

 

 

So to specifically answer your question, a cameo or off hand mention IF they get anything assuming they are still on planet. 

 

Let's say there'll be fifty Siege books. There won't be, but let's say there will for the purposes of this example. Forty-four of them can focus on the factions you listed, but you don't need all fifty. You have enough already. You don't need to boil everything down to just them in order to get the essence. They're the big deals there, but not the only deals there.

 

Also, narratively, you don't need a main character to be from the faction being focused on. It's often more effective when they're not, as it's a good foundation to explore the culture or faction in question, and highlight what's cool and different about it.

 

As it happens, I agree with you: I want the unseen stuff to finally shine, which of course it will. But I'm not against seeing some major air time from other angles too, if they'll be interesting or if, say, they were set up years ago to be there because their outlook will be insightful.

 

 

 

ALL 50 OF THOSE BOOKS BETTER BE ABOUT SIGISMUND BEING UNLEASHED, DO YOU HEAR ME?!

 

 

...I'd buy that series.

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I agree that i'd prefer to see most of the siege arc main characters be from those that haven't had their day in the sun, but i would quite like to see one of the traitor viewpoints we get be from one of the Shattered Legions or Sagyar Mazan that ended up throwing in their lot with Horus. Hard to believe 100% of the WS that wanted to declare for Horus would have gone entirely along with the suicide attacks as redemption thing. Traitor Iron Hands have been hinted at a few times and could make for an interesting supporting character.

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Scars makes it clear that in all likelihood, some WS Horus-sympathisers scurried off to join the Traitors

 

Some took their own lives rather than endure the shame of surrender, though most recognised the authority of the Khagan and offered up their blades in contrition.

 

A few smaller vessels never made it to the muster, either destroyed by the Death Guard during the engagement or disappearing quietly, presumed unwilling to accept the rejection of their planned accord with the Warmaster. The seeds planted by the lodges were set deep, and not all of their growths were capable of being uprooted.

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I do think we definitely need to see some stories of the viewpoint of "traitor loyalists", given that we've had a few stories now about "loyal traitors". I much prefer this idea of the Legions not entirely being unanimous in their decisions of loyalty, but that there were fringe groups in all that went a different direction to the bulk of their Legion. Give us some stories about pro-Horus Raven Guard, or Iron Hands that went rogue with the death of their Primarch.

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Battle for the Abyss was 45 books ago, though and no book has been that bad or random since.

Except Fear to tread, Damnation of Pythos, Vulkan lives and everything that came out after Unremembered empire of course

 

As for the watch pack they joined Russ for the assault on Horus, don't remember if they survived or not.

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Battle for the Abyss was 45 books ago, though and no book has been that bad or random since.

Except Fear to tread, Damnation of Pythos, Vulkan lives and everything that came out after Unremembered empire of course

 

As for the watch pack they joined Russ for the assault on Horus, don't remember if they survived or not.

 

 

No? Conservatively: Scars, Path of Heaven, Praetorian of Dorn, Master of Mankind, Tallarn and Slaves to Darkness, all out after Unremembered Empire, all easily miles better than Battle for the Abyss (and Unremembered Empire for that matter). Like, this doesn't seem controversial to me at all.

 

Fear to Tread, Damnation of Pythos and the Salamander books might be dull and poorly written but they're not outright disposable bolter-porn like Battle for the Abyss.

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Fear to Tread was worse.

 

I think not.

 

The worst, is anything Raven Guard, and/or, the entire Vulkan (Lives!) arc. All of it.

 

Now that's the funny thing, I quite enjoyed Gav's Raven Guard books. Not the best in the series by any stretch but far from the worst.

 

I think I would rate Deliverance Lost above Fear to Tread (and I say that as a Blood Angels fan and player of 25 years). DL was interesting but FTT was just a joyless slog. Maybe I don't like Swallow's writing.

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