MiniB1084 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 Hi everyone, Im still new to Horus Heresy and writing lists in general. The models i have in my possession is: -MK3 Command Squad (my captain and standard bearer) -Praetor in Terminator Armour -Cataphractii Terminator Squad -10 man Tactical Squad -Demios Rhino -10 man Tactical Squad -Demios Rhino -Sicaren Battle Tank -Rogal Dorn I would like to make a list that i can play average sized games of Horus Heresy (2000-3000?) I was thinking on getting a Apothecary detachment, 10 man Breacher Squad and a 5 Man Templar Brethren Squad ,but want to have a base list first to build off. any advice appreciated greatly. Edit: been trying to put a list together and have this: HQ: Centurion- (80) -bolt pistol, power sword, melta bombs, artificer armour Elites: Apothecarion Detachment- (90) - 2 Apothecarys Templar Brethren- (275) -4 Templar Brethren (combat shield, 1 Nuncio-vox, melta bombs) -1 Chapter Champion (combat shield, master crafted solarite power gauntlet) Legion Terminator Squad- (290) -2 terminators (storm shields, power fists) -2 terminators (storm shields, chainfists) -1 Sergeant (storm shield, power sword, grenade harness) Troops: Legion Tactical Squad- (195) -9 Tactical marines -1 Sergeant (meltabombs, power sword, plasma pistol) -Demios rhino transport (extra armour) Legion Tactical Squad- (195) -9 Tactical marines -1 Sergeant (meltabombs, power sword, plasma pistol) -Demios rhino transport (extra armour) Legion Breacher Siege Squad- (280) -7 Breacher Marines (melta bombs) -2 Breacher Marines (volkite charger, melta bombs) -1 Breacher Sergeant (breaching charge, artificer armour) Heavy Support: Legion Sicaran Battle Tank- (225) -Armoured Ceramite, Lascannons) Lords of War: Rogal Dorn (385) Total points: 1995 points Thanks Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 First thing that comes to mind is to give your squad sergeants artificer armour where possible as a priority upgrade before anything else. Afterwards, if theyre likely to see combat, an Ap2 weapon to deal with similarly equipped sergeants/characters with a preference for power fists since it would enable them to possibly punch above their weight. The same could be said for your naked centurion; a solarite power gauntlet would be nice if possible but a power axe would definitely help them more than a Power Sword is likely to. If you find the points, a refractor field might be a nice thing to have to try and keep him alive longer. Due to a lack of antitank outside of the sicaran, meltabombs and terminators, your Breachers would be better served by having meltaguns, i feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniB1084 Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 Hi, Thank you for the advice! to make the changes you suggested i had to change some stuff. ive tried to get more anti tank stuff in there. HQ: Centurion- (100) -Solarite power gauntlet, artificer armour, refractor shield Elites: Apothecarion Detachment- (90) - 2 Apothecarys Legion Terminator Squad- (545) -5 terminators (storm shields, power fists) -4 terminators (storm shields, chainfists) -1 Sergeant (storm shield, power sword, grenade harness,teleportation transponder) Troops: Legion Tactical Squad- (205) -9 Tactical marines -1 Sergeant (Artificer Armour,meltabombs, power sword, plasma pistol) -Demios rhino transport (extra armour) Legion Tactical Squad- (205) -9 Tactical marines -1 Sergeant (Artificer Armour, meltabombs, power sword, plasma pistol) -Demios rhino transport (extra armour) Heavy Support: Legion Sicaran Battle Tank- (225) -Armoured Ceramite, Lascannons Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (240) -Armoured Ceramite, Aiolos Missile launcher Lords of War: Rogal Dorn (385) Total points: 1995 points again, any advice appreciated thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritual Liege Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Where exactly will you put your Apothecaries? There is no room in the Rhinos and they can't join Terminator units so they're pretty useless. Power swords and plasma pistols on sergeants are a bit wasted in my opinion, either go the cheap route with artificer armour and melta bombs or if you think you'll get in combat then maybe a power axe or fist would be a better bet. Dorn is maybe a bit too much in 2000pts, as he and those Terminators require a transport (he can't teleport or can he?) or they will never reach the enemy. Either get Tartaros pattern, drop Dorn or get a transport. I see no point in armoured ceramite on that Sicaran and that Deredeo. They are both so squishy they will get wrecked if some meltas get in range, with ceramite or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniB1084 Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 Hi, i never even thought about the apothicarys XD thanks for pointing that out, i guess ill just remove them from the list unless you have any suggestions? and the only reason my sergeants have the weapons they do is because i got my mark 3 marines second hand unpainted but built. what would you recommend to add if i take dorn off to get to 2000pts? also the imperial fist terminators can take a teleportation transponder, which is why i havent given them a transport (or would a transport be better? a spartan assualt tank?) but i dont think Dorn can take them. thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 It sadly does not. All it does is let units deepstrike within 6” of him without scattering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniB1084 Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 ah never mind then xD, this is my current list for 2000 points: HQ: Centurion- (100) -Solarite power gauntlet, artificer armour, refractor shield Elites: Legion Terminator Squad- (535) = Black and yellow colour scheme -5 terminators (storm shields, power fists) -4 terminators (storm shields, chainfists) -1 Sergeant (storm shield, power sword, grenade harness ) -Legion Spartan Assualt Tank (armoured ceramite) 325 Contemptor Dreadnought - (195) -kheres pattern assault cannon, extra armour Troops: Legion Tactical Squad- (205) = Yellow and black colour scheme -9 Tactical marines -1 Sergeant (Artificer Armour,meltabombs, power sword, plasma pistol) -Demios rhino transport (extra armour) Legion Tactical Squad- (205) = Yellow and black colour scheme -9 Tactical marines -1 Sergeant (Artificer Armour, meltabombs, power sword, plasma pistol) -Demios rhino transport (extra armour) Heavy Support: Legion Sicaran Battle Tank- (205) = yellow and black colour scheme - Lascannons Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220) = yellow and black colour scheme - Aiolos Missile launcher Total points: 1990 anything else i can do to improve my list? will i be at a disadvantage not having a primarch in a 2000 point game or is it 2000+ when primarchs come into play? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Legionnaire Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 You won't be at a disadvantage, no. Primarch's are most often seen at games over 2k pts. Not exclusively, but often. Some people bring them in 1.5k 'Primarch's Chosen' lists, but that tastes a bit ... meh. As for you list: Even if your unit sergeants are build w. Plasma Pistol & Power Sword ... disassemble them or build some new ones in replacement. That weapon combo is getting you nowhere except costing you a premium amount of points. There's a place for Power Swords, but it's not on Imperial Fists unit sergeants. Plasma Pistols are even more niche and justifying them isn't easy. Big blob of Cataphractii in a Spartan is the most commonly seen 'death star' unit in Horus Heresy. It's highly effective, sure, but has been fielded so often I personally find it ultimately boring. More power to you though, try it out, but get your Centurion into a Cataphractii suit and have them join that unit, for he seems to have no other place to go. Switch the Extra Armour on your Rhinos for Dozer Blades. Why not run a RoW ? Maybe boost up your Centurion to a Delegatus or even a Praetor and see what kind of lists you can come up with utilizing different RoW ? Pride of the Legion is very beginner friendly for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniB1084 Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 Hi, ive looked at the rites of war and your right, ive turned my tac squads int vet tac squads, added a praetor in cataphractii armour and i just need to find something to make up the last points. any advice? rite of war: pride of the legion HQ: Praetor- (187) -cataphractii terminator armour, volkite charger, paragon blade, digital lasers, iron halo Troops: Legion Terminator Squad- (870) -5 terminators (storm shields, power fists) -4 terminators (storm shields, chainfists) -1 Sergeant (storm shield, power sword, grenade harness) -Legion Spartan Assualt Tank (armoured ceramite) Legion veteran tactical squad- (250) -9 veteran tactical marines -1 veteran tactical sergeant (melta bombs, power fist, artificer armour) -Rhino Transport (dozer blade) Legion veteran tactical squad- (245) -9 veteran tactical marines -1 veteran tactical sergeant (melta bombs, power sword, artificer armour) -Rhino Transport (dozer blade) Heavy Support: Legion Sicaran Battle Tank- (205) - Lascannons Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220) - Aiolos Missile launcher Total points: 1977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritual Liege Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 A good start for an armoured list. Some special or heavy weapons would go a long way on Veterans. Heavy bolters are nice and fluffy and benefit from the IF legion trait, and plasma guns can threaten pretty much anything except for the heaviest of vehicles. I know you are a little tight on points, maybe dropping one Terminator would be a good idea? I think 10 Terminators are too expensive at this level. 5 + Praetor will do enough killing and you could afford another unit, like a second Sicaran, a Contemptor Dread or a battery of Rapier Carriers. But if you insist on going with 10, then go. Just be mindful of the fact that they are slow, and everything will be shooting at that unit since it is over 50% of your army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniB1084 Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 if i drop 5 of the terminators should i also drop the spartan? and what kind of contemptor/ weapon combo is best for IF? thanks for the advice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritual Liege Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 It depends. If you want your Praetor along for the ride, then you need the Spartan as he can't fit in a regular 'Raider. Of course an option would be to get a Terminator Command Squad of 4 men and have them and your Praetor in a Land Raider Phobos. Melee Contemptors are nice if in a Drop Pod, otherwise I would go with kheres + fist, twin-linked lascannon + fist or a Mortis with double kheres or double lascannons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniB1084 Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 thanks very much, i have added a plasmagun and a heavy bolter too each my veteran squads. my friend has persuaded me to do a 2500 points army as he says its alot more fun at that point so i am going to use 10 terminators and add 2 contemptor dreadnoughts. this is my list after a mess around and i have points spare. any idea what to use them on to make the list better? HQ: Praetor- (187) -cataphractii terminator armour, volkite charger, paragon blade, digital lasers, iron halo Centurion- (130) -Primus Medicae upgrade, Terminator Armour Elites: Contemptor Dreadnought Talon- (390) -Contemptor Dreadnought: Kheres Assualt Cannon -Contemptor Dreadnought: Kheres Assualt Cannon Troops: Legion Terminator Squad- (500) -Terminator Sergeant: Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Power Fist, Grenade Harness -Terminator:Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Power Fist -Terminator:Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Power Fist -Terminator:Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Power Fist -Terminator:Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Power Fist -Terminator:Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Power Fist -Terminator:Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Power Fist -Terminator:Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Chain Fist -Terminator:Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Chain Fist -Terminator:Vigil Pattern Storm Shield, Chain Fist Legion veteran tactical squad- (285) -Veteran Sergeant: Power fist, Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs -Veteran: Heavy Bolter and Suspensor web -Veteran: Plasmagun -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Rhino Transport: Dozer Blade Legion veteran tactical squad- (280) -Veteran Sergeant: Power Sword, Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs -Veteran: Heavy Bolter and Suspensor web -Veteran: Plasmagun -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Veteran: Bolter -Rhino Transport: Dozer Blade Heavy Support: Legion Sicaran Battle Tank- (205) - Lascannons Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought (220) - Aiolos Missile launcher Legion Spartan Assault Tank- (305) -Armoured Ceratite Total points: 2502 will being 2 points over be a problem or nah? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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