Mellow Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 I’ve not heard much about this and I must admit the author is unknown to me? Is this meant to be worth picking up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 In my opinion, it's better than Ashes of Prospero and War of Secrets. It shows a slightly darker side to Guilliman, though not overly so to ruin his character, and also some actions of fresh Primaris, and their shortcomings. The author is the same one who wrote the Lucius novel and the upcoming Angron Primarchs novel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknife Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 Are there any new primaris units Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I've barely scratched Lucius: The Faultless Blade and I'm already hooked, or I would be if that hangar bay scene (you know the one) from A Lesson in Darkness hadn't already. Should be an entertaining read that injects the fire back into the Conquests series that the last ~2 smothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 No new Primaris units, though it does show Inceptors fitting in a Stormraven. Premise: The story revolves around a small taskforce of Ultramarines sent to retrieve what is later revealed to be a cache of Life-Eater virus bombs left on the planet by Iron Warriors who had forced off the planet during the Scouring, and to relieve the Genesis Chapter garrison that is stationed there that has come under attack by the Iron Warriors seeking to reclaim their cache. On Guilliman: He seems to have a somewhat Fabius Bile mentality by the end of this novel, being willing to burn the current Imperium and rebuild it in the Emperor's image if necessary. The story somewhat ties into the Guilliman Primarchs novel, with Guilliman's qualms over using bio-weaponry, though his opinioin seems to have changed since then. 'If I must use such savage weapons, then let it be so. If the galaxy must be razed, and its ashes used to regrow our kingdom, then I will do so. The Imperium that rises from the brink of annihilation shall truly be my father's realm, and not the rotting den of corruption time has made of it. He has the skull of Marius Gage in his quarters, and speaks to it, referring to him as 'his favoured son'. On Primaris: While shown to be individually stronger than the standard Astartes, they are a bit like Custodes in that they try to fight individually, rather than as brothers, which has negative consequences for them.They also seem somewhat glory-hungry, seeing their own legacies as more important than how their loss may impact their brothers.The Ultramarines are initially repulsed by the Primaris, and it takes a hololith of Guilliman to convince them not to attack them instantly.A dying Iron Warrior likens the situation to the Thunder Warriors, and asks the Ultramarines Chaplain how long he thinks it will be before they turn on him. Also confirmed that Primaris do go through the 10th Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 The bit about the skull sounds very unlike Guilliman. Very good to see him in a different light mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 The bit about the skull sounds very unlike Guilliman. Very good to see him in a different light mind. Curze did a bit more than intended to his brother aye? (Curze talks to dangling corpses in his quarters for reference) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Primarchs talking to skulls is not unprecedented. Isn't that right, Ferrus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calgar101 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 That is true. So a clash between Primaris and regular astartes soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Does it state where Guilliman got the skull of Marius Gage? Last we saw him iirc, he was taking the Macragge's Honour into the warp, chasing Kor Phaeron, and the Macragge's Honour was reclaimed from the Red Corsairs within the first few years of the Indomitus Crusade according to The Armour of Fate, but didn't mention Gage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morovir Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 The Macragge's Honour returned to the Ultramarines after the Heresy at an unspecified time, and was seized by the Red Corsairs during the events of The Gathering Storm III. I presume he died at some point after its initial return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Some of this sounds pretty weird! I am thinking of picking this book up, is it actually a good read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Imperial Civil war. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Imperial Civil war. Yes. But... That was the Horus Heresy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I'm with valrak on this. We've already had the Horus Heresy, war of the false Primarch, the reign of Vandire and the Badab war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Oh by the Emperor please have Guilliman start losing his marbles under the pressure of the loneliness of command (who wouldn’t?). And he becomes more and more unlike himself and it takes the return of one of his Loyalist brothers to knock sense back into him. ...the idea being that the setting should never have a single Mary Sue Primarch* around for long when there are fourteen others to tap into. That might be the one thing that makes RG’s continued existence remotely worthwhile (IMO). * Hidden Content I would say this about any single Primarch that was the only one returned. What makes Primarchs interesting is their brotherhood and how they interact with each other. So even if it was a Primarch I found interesting like the Lion or Khan, I would have similar feelings. But having RG as the only one bores me to tears, most especialy b/c it’s Guilliman, but that’s another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Imperial Civil war. Yes. But... That was the Horus Heresy... Horus Heresy was between primarchs This would be cult of the god emperor vs imperial truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Maybe what its gearing up for is, Avtive tension that sometimes spills into combat between Guillimans Imperium and the esserechariy*sp. where SoB are gearing up to be able to counter primaris marines and guillimans imperial truth hardliners. and handle it kind of like a " Secret Wars" style scenario. were there is a "secret war" that is happening randomly around the imperium for the "soul" of it then the inquisition "cleans up" anyone who witnessed the combat? THey will still fight together against outside threats, but when debate becomes anger and rage, and then violence the two sides have been known to attack each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 But this book is set before Dark Imperium - in that Guilliman is working with and controlling aspects of the church of the Emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Imperial Civil war. Yes. But... That was the Horus Heresy... Horus Heresy was between primarchs This would be cult of the god emperor vs imperial truth Wasn't the Horus Heresy between Gods vs Imperial Truth? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 But different god's. This is just a different interpretations of the same god. Totally different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus1138 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 This was an interesting novel, one part that really jumped out at me however is that the Ultramarines are depicted as fully buying into the Imperial Cult. One of the main characters is a Chaplain that is constantly praying to the God-Emperor and describing him as divine. None of the other Ultramarines find this odd, and follow along. This occasionally took me out of the story. Also, a small nitpick: the banner on Black Library's website advertising the book incorrectly describes Helios as a Primaris marine. I'd brush this off, but this is the second time I've noticed a flawed description on their site within a short span of time (the first being the description of The Voice of Mars). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProsperoStands Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I am honestly glad they are showing that not everyone likes the Mary Sue Marines, I mean the Primaris. I despise them as a concept so anytime they get taken down a peg in official lore I am far happier then I should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus1138 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I am honestly glad they are showing that not everyone likes the Mary Sue Marines, I mean the Primaris. I despise them as a concept so anytime they get taken down a peg in official lore I am far happier then I should be. I wouldn't really say they're taken down a peg. They're shown as faster and stronger than older marines, and their downsides in the novel are entirely due to inexperience. They still pull out some wins against more experience chaos marines and are shown as being full of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknife Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Anyone else get the "execute order 66" vibe. Consider, GW are saying normal marines arent getting squatted they seem to drop quite a few hints to the contrary in their books. Book was ok, kept me wanting more so looking forwars to DI2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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