Reivers and Intercessors

[Marshal Rohr]

Does anyone use Reiver Squads to represent crusader squads in the rules? Essentially, you could model Intercessors with chainswords and bolt pistols and have them counts as Reivers?

[Cryptix]

Does anyone use Reiver Squads to represent crusader squads in the rules? Essentially, you could model Intercessors with chainswords and bolt pistols and have them counts as Reivers?

You'd need a larger pistol, considering they're supposed to be using Heavy Bolt Pistols, but it'd probably work. You can also use their auto-bolt rifles as bolt carbines.

[Arganias]

There will come a day, far down the line, when we will have obscenely excessive amounts of heavy bolt pistols like we have regular bolt pistols now... but it is unfortunately not this day.

[Marshal Rohr]

I don’t really mess around with the new weapons since older bolters and pistols are finally in the right scale. If they are trivets their pistols would be understood to be heavy pistols and if they have rifles they’d be intercessors.

 

Can Reivers ride in Repulsors?

[Medjugorje]

Does anyone use Reiver Squads to represent crusader squads in the rules? Essentially, you could model Intercessors with chainswords and bolt pistols and have them counts as Reivers?

It was a possible thing in my mind... but i decided not to do this because i want to play Reiver Squads too.

[Marshal Vespasian]

You could just give your reiver squads chainswords, they just look better than combat Knies.

I want to play with reivers at some point too. still unsure, what to do with them modeling wise. There are those robed and tabarded kromlech prime bodies.

On the other hand they do Look pretty cool on their own and I want to leave my primaris more 'factory fresh' to show that they are new(ish) to the Eternal crusade

[Blindhamster]

Blood Angels player here, but i've used Reivers a bit.

I think the problem my black armoured brethren will have with them is they don't have much hitting power, the thing that makes crusaders work is the couple of hidden power weapons a squad can have to make up for the chainswords generally poor damage output.

Blood Angels work a little better due to the +1 to wound meaning just a few more saves are forced, which can really make the difference.

Model wise, I love the idea of using intercessor bodies and adding a few tabbards, then giving them chainswords and bolt pistols.

[Medjugorje]

Blood Angels player here, but i've used Reivers a bit.

 

I think the problem my black armoured brethren will have with them is they don't have much hitting power, the thing that makes crusaders work is the couple of hidden power weapons a squad can have to make up for the chainswords generally poor damage output.

 

Blood Angels work a little better due to the +1 to wound meaning just a few more saves are forced, which can really make the difference.

 

Model wise, I love the idea of using intercessor bodies and adding a few tabbards, then giving them chainswords and bolt pistols.

funny thing on that point is

 

crusader with 1 attack and chainsword makes more damage then the guy with power weapon.

 

(for example against MEQ)

Power-Sword: 1 A - 0,66 hits - 0,33 wounds -  0,275 - damage per point: 0,016

Chainsword: 2 A - 1,32 hit - 0,66 wounds - 0,220 - damge per point: 0,017

 

 

(against Orks)

1 A - 0,66 hits - 0,33 wounds -  0,33 - damage per point: 0,0194

2 A - 1,32 hit - 0,66 wounds - 0,55 - damge per point: 0,042

[Blindhamster]

how does that equation look for intercessors vs reivers though? which is what this is about?

 

[Brother Sheep]

And whats the equation with a unit who has 2 attacks? Reiver / sword brethern / intercessor sgt (with his 3 attacks)

[Marshal Wolfhart]

Assuming we are fighting T4 3+ save:

Intercessors: 2 * 2/3 * 1/2 * 1/3 = 2/9 = 0,22 wounds

Reivers: 3 * 2/3 *1/2 *1/3 =3/9 = 0,33 wounds

 

for reference, powersword Crusader: 1 * 2/3 * 1/2 *5/6 = 5/18 = 0,27

chainsword Crusader: 2 * 2/3 * 1/2 * 1/3 = 2/9 = 0,22

[Marshal Rohr]

I don't understand the equations

[Brother Sheep]

Its the equation to hurt:

I take the last one for example for you:

 

Chainsword crusader: 2 Attacks * hitting on 3+ (2/3) * wounding on 4 (1/2) * saving throw on 5+ for the boy ( 1/3 ) = 0.22 dead boyz thanks to 1 fighting crusader

[Medjugorje]

Its the equation to hurt:

I take the last one for example for you:

 

Chainsword crusader: 2 Attacks * hitting on 3+ (2/3) * wounding on 4 (1/2) * saving throw on 5+ for the boy ( 1/3 ) = 0.22 dead boyz thanks to 1 fighting crusader

5+  why

orks have 6+ and marines 3+

 

 

my equation should be shown that a crusader with chainsword is more efficent then a crusader with power sword.

[Marshal_Roujakis]

While quite true... Power Sword looks hell of a lot better than the gardening tool that is the chainsword...

[Medjugorje]

While quite true... Power Sword looks hell of a lot better than the gardening tool that is the chainsword...

look better in term of the "LOOK" (viewing with eyes)

or

look into the results in our math?

[Sword Brother Adelard]

I believe on this occasion he means the visual aesthetics.

[Medjugorje]

you are right brother. there is nothing like a Black Templar with a sword !!!!!!!

[Schlitzaf]

As I said before in Tide Squads (200ish points) your paying 2% (4pts) for a 2% increase in damage output by the squad. It’s not a question of efficiency, per say. Like yes the 17 point Crusader does less wounds per a point spent. But what isn’t true, is that the 17 point Crusader does less wounds than the 13 point Crusader.

 

The truth is 17 point Crusader does in fact do more wounds, than 13 point Crusader does. So I always tell people, you should only take a 1A Power Sword, in tide squads only because it becomes ‘efficient’. Or more specifically it makes so it isn’t inefficient.

[Marshal Wolfhart]

 

Its the equation to hurt:

I take the last one for example for you:

 

Chainsword crusader: 2 Attacks * hitting on 3+ (2/3) * wounding on 4 (1/2) * saving throw on 5+ for the boy ( 1/3 ) = 0.22 dead boyz thanks to 1 fighting crusader

5+  why

orks have 6+ and marines 3+

 

 

my equation should be shown that a crusader with chainsword is more efficent then a crusader with power sword.

 

 

You need to calculate saves with the anti-thesis, as you consider their save to fail as a success for you to wound.

On a 1 and 2 a 3+ save is failed, that is 2/6 results, so 1/3. That's where the 1/3 comes from.

In the example for the boy the factor for the save would need to be 2/3, as 1,2,3,4 count as succes, hence 4/6 = 2/3 ;) Sounds way more complicated than it actually is, the gist of it is:

If you calculate wounds, take the chance for the wound to NOT be saved.