elbianc Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Hi, im building a Daemon Army, mostly Slaanesh Daemon princes and Daemonettes, im gonna use 3 daemon prince, is it worth to use Be'lakor too? it seems quite expensive at 280pts... but hes fast, can use dark hecticus discipline (warptime and diabolic strength!!!), and is sword is fantastic! what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backslide Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 He doesn't get either of those spells... Given he stops that detachment frkm getting a loci I dont think hes worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 Yeah he can use only 3 of the Dark Hereticus discipine and none of the ones you named are among those 3 unfortunately. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 His powers aren't great but getting 2 casts is nice, when I've used him one usually ends up as smite. His main tricks are his save rerolls, his -5 AP damage 3 weapon and granting rells to any daemon (can be good in a mixed god list). For the extra 100pts over a regular DP I don't think it's terrible but he definitely isn't as good as some of the DP builds with relics etc (or TS DPs in general). I also think he needs support to make the most out of his abilities (like death hex for his sword or warp surge for 4++ rerollable) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Herald Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I've asked the same question and had to use him myself to find out. He is expensive. That said, most that have used him, at least that I've talked to and including myself, feel that he is worth the cost. He is slightly more durable than most princes with his re-rolls on saves. His sword is like running a hot knife through butter on most models and combined with death-hex he shreds things, even Death Guard pretty easy. The Ld penalty isn't great, but whatever. Also, he is faster than other princes, not accounting for warlord traits and warp time. His drawbacks are that he can't be summoned (see FAQ) and therefore MUST be in a dettachment, which provides him 0 benefits. By beta rules, he has to be in a daemon dettachment which means his dettachment will lose the special faction locus if you were going for mono-god benefits. This also means unless you are taking a second daemon dettachment, making him an auxilary (-1CP), or already had units in mind for his dettachment you will be taking other units as tax. Brimstone horrors are a cheap troop choice. If you do take a 2nd daemon dettachment as mono-god, all other characters should be in that dettachment since the locus is an aura applied to characters and therefore can still benefit other daemons in Be'lakor's dettachment. He also has a smaller pool of psychic powers as the Codex tells you to use the Dark Hereticus powers in the same Codex, it gives a page number for the table in his datasheet which says to use said table if using Be'lakor. Death Hex and a mortal wound power still isn't bad, though it is frustrating. Especially frustrating since before the daemon Codex he had access to the full range of Dark Hereticus powers, even if they still only affected HERETIC ASTARTES. I would recommend Be'lakor. I was shocked how effective he was even after Codex nerfs. He has decent staying power, but he might get a lot of attention. Think of him as a super glass cannon and I don't think you will be disappointed. Yes, relics can bring other DPs close to Be'lakor, but he is there without a relic and the other princes don't get death hex paired with a weapon that lethal. Think of him as a buffer, faster termy combat sorcerer with the murder sword, but you still have a relic free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 I just the solve comparison issue between belakor and the relic DPs by inviting everyone to the party :) Conundrum resolved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbianc Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 Gonna try him today on a list with 3 slaanesh Daemon Princes, lots and lots of Daemonettes and some seekers, its against a guilliman gun line, so i dont have high hopes... But i bet it will be fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 You could put him in a supreme command detachment and the other HQs have access to the Loci if there is already a detachment granting it do they not? (i dont have the codex close by) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbianc Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share Posted October 31, 2018 You only gain the locus if all the units in that detachment owes its allegience to the same God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbianc Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 Theres a rumor that Be'lakor will drop to 240 pts in CA, that would make him alot more viable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Really, they should have given Be'lakor the "if this unit is in the detachment, it does not affect Battle-Forged, but can never gain Daemonic Allegiance bonuses" rule that a lot of 'neutral' characters/units have. I would have used him as-is if he had that. As of now, if I do use him, I have to use up a detachment slot and stick him in a detachment by himself because Daemons MUST have a Daemonic allegiance keyword, even ones like Furies/Soul Grinders. -sigh- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Really, they should have given Be'lakor the "if this unit is in the detachment, it does not affect Battle-Forged, but can never gain Daemonic Allegiance bonuses" rule that a lot of 'neutral' characters/units have. I would have used him as-is if he had that. As of now, if I do use him, I have to use up a detachment slot and stick him in a detachment by himself because Daemons MUST have a Daemonic allegiance keyword, even ones like Furies/Soul Grinders. -sigh- He's still daemon and can go in an undivided detachment. All the daemon loci affect characters anyway so can just take a supreme command or something for your loci characters and then 1 undivided detachment for all the spares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon Prince Marbas Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Be'lakor is rumored to be getting dropped to 240 points instead of his current 280. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbianc Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Now, all he needs is some kind of Mark of chaos ascendent, like abbadon has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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