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Number of Ogryn bodyguards?


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How many ogryn bodyguards can you take as I can't seem to find where it states this in the codex? Was thinking 2 ogryn bodyguards with mauls and brute shields with a lord commissar with the relic sword would be great as a counter punch unit

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Ogryn Bodyguards are 1x model per unit. I *assume* that means one per Character/Officer.


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they are an elite unit of 1 model...the data sheet doesnt put any other limits on such as max of 1 in your list (like all 'named characters' ) or 1 per X of .... so you can take as many as you have elite slots in your formation  (eg battalion can have 6).... unless you are playing with the competiative rules where you are limited to 3 copies of a data sheet in a 2k list.


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That's what I thought as there are no limits other than there an elite slot, cheers fellas.

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And the limitation of 3 non-troops/dedicated transport datasheet.

 

I've seen a gentleman take three before as a counter assault specialist "unit" and they did terrifying things.


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And the limitation of 3 non-troops/dedicated transport datasheet.

 

I've seen a gentleman take three before as a counter assault specialist "unit" and they did terrifying things.

Misconception here..... the Ro3 is only for a guide for competitive events not games in general

 

from the Rule book FAQ/Errata 

"If you are using matched play for an organised event such as a tournament, we suggest using the table below"



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We tend to use it anyway as it does tend to promote more healthy listbuilding. 


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We tend to use it anyway as it does tend to promote more healthy listbuilding. 

 

I'm not a fan of it, it's fine for elite armies but screws over armies like guard where units are cheap.


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And the limitation of 3 non-troops/dedicated transport datasheet.

 

I've seen a gentleman take three before as a counter assault specialist "unit" and they did terrifying things.

Misconception here..... the Ro3 is only for a guide for competitive events not games in general

 

from the Rule book FAQ/Errata 

"If you are using matched play for an organised event such as a tournament, we suggest using the table below"

 

Eh, not really a misconception. I know it isn't a universal rule but around here Matched Play is the only play. Matched Play rules are basically the only rules because every other kind of play literally does not happen. Likewise for our surrounding metas, near as I've been able to tell from going out of town. Most of the US west coast seems to work this way.


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-Book of Cain - Chapter IV, Verse XXI

 

"I think you really need to be a guard player in order to have that kind of attitude about casualties. My forces were killed to a man for slight strategic gain? All I heard was a buzzing noise until that part about strategic gain."

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We tend to use it anyway as it does tend to promote more healthy listbuilding. 

 

I'm not a fan of it, it's fine for elite armies but screws over armies like guard where units are cheap.

 

What would you want to run more than 3 of at 2k?


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And the limitation of 3 non-troops/dedicated transport datasheet.

 

I've seen a gentleman take three before as a counter assault specialist "unit" and they did terrifying things.

Misconception here..... the Ro3 is only for a guide for competitive events not games in general

 

from the Rule book FAQ/Errata 

"If you are using matched play for an organised event such as a tournament, we suggest using the table below"

 

Eh, not really a misconception. I know it isn't a universal rule but around here Matched Play is the only play. Matched Play rules are basically the only rules because every other kind of play literally does not happen. Likewise for our surrounding metas, near as I've been able to tell from going out of town. Most of the US west coast seems to work this way.

 

the quote actually says that organised events such as tournaments are a subset of matched play.....matched play is just using points instead of power level to build your armies.   So again its the tournament players who are 'forcing' the Ro3 on to pickup gamers.

 

 

-note: I build my pickup lists for Ro3 because its easier for people who are wanting to try tournament lists but thats just my point.... the meta is being shapped by people who use additional restrictions on list building.


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And the limitation of 3 non-troops/dedicated transport datasheet.

 

I've seen a gentleman take three before as a counter assault specialist "unit" and they did terrifying things.

Misconception here..... the Ro3 is only for a guide for competitive events not games in general

 

from the Rule book FAQ/Errata 

"If you are using matched play for an organised event such as a tournament, we suggest using the table below"

 

Eh, not really a misconception. I know it isn't a universal rule but around here Matched Play is the only play. Matched Play rules are basically the only rules because every other kind of play literally does not happen. Likewise for our surrounding metas, near as I've been able to tell from going out of town. Most of the US west coast seems to work this way.

 

the quote actually says that organised events such as tournaments are a subset of matched play.....matched play is just using points instead of power level to build your armies.   So again its the tournament players who are 'forcing' the Ro3 on to pickup gamers.

 

 

-note: I build my pickup lists for Ro3 because its easier for people who are wanting to try tournament lists but thats just my point.... the meta is being shapped by people who use additional restrictions on list building.

 

 

But short of weird cheese lists what unit would you want more than 2 of at 1k or 3 of at 2k?

 

Maybe company commanders, I guess? But we do have Platoon commanders if more orders are needed. 


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But short of weird cheese lists what unit would you want more than 2 of at 1k or 3 of at 2k?

 

Maybe company commanders, I guess? But we do have Platoon commanders if more orders are needed. 

 

Commanders of any kind let you bring Command squads.


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Commanders of any kind let you bring Command squads.

 

 

 

The question was about why the rule of three would actually impact your list building. 

 

What do you want to take more than 3 of anyway?


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For guard... not 100% as not a guard player and the things that most people would want more than 3 of come in squadrons so can take ~9 anyway.... Leman Russ' .... how ever the rule is for all factions and there are a number of factions who's list building/ tactics are constrained by the rule.....

 

(although (even though I do play craftworlders...) in the case of Craftworld dark reapers the Ro3 is a good thing :P)



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Only really tends to be constrained in extreme cheese lists. 

 

I don't find this to be a negative.


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We tend to use it anyway as it does tend to promote more healthy listbuilding. 

 

I'm not a fan of it, it's fine for elite armies but screws over armies like guard where units are cheap.

 

What would you want to run more than 3 of at 2k?

 

 

Of Ogryn Bodyguards, no.

 

Of Company Commanders, then definitely!



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Only really tends to be constrained in extreme cheese lists. 

 

I don't find this to be a negative.

 

wow.... you just called pure sisters of battle extreme cheese!tongue.png

 

(HQ options 1 character + 1 generic .... Fast Attack 2 options, Heavy support 2.... ok a lot of Elites 6...and yes the Sisters Strats require the formation to be a Sisters not ministratum list.... who by the way add 1 Heavy Support 3 elites & a character HQ)


Edited by Slasher956, 12 November 2018 - 02:44 PM.

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Of Ogryn Bodyguards, no.
 
Of Company Commanders, then definitely!

 
With platoon commanders you still have 9 orders a turn which is quite a bit and that's without special characters etc.

wow.... you just called pure sisters of battle extreme cheese!tongue.png
 
(HQ options 1 character + 1 generic .... Fast Attack 2 options, Heavy support 2.... ok a lot of Elites 6...and yes the Sisters Strats require the formation to be a Sisters not ministratum list.... who by the way add 1 Heavy Support 2 elites & a character HQ)


I feel Sisters is a poor example to use because they aren't a proper army list (having only partial index support and an ancient model range). See if they still have the same problem after chapter approved.

Edited by MrZakalwe, 12 November 2018 - 02:44 PM.

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It's a problem if you want to run an all infantry army (for a theme or whatever reason) as you can't get more than three special or heavy weapons squads (given you you can still take about 30 Leman Russ tanks using the squadron rules and FW datasheets (I know points are an issue but still). 


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Gents lets avoid the excessive quoting please. Only keep what's relevant to your response.

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Rule of 3 effects Drukhari as there is only one HQ choice that will preserve your unit bonuses.


The Codex Astartes no doubt has guidance that covers that kind of situation - long, detailed advice that would essentially boil down to "shoot the choppy ones, chop the shooty ones".





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