Starting Space Marines - DIY chapter.

[Warhead01]

Hello!

 

I've been with out a 40K space marine army for quite some time and until recently was sure I was done with them for good.
I'm a long time Ork player. I just met two more Ork players last month and decided to start a Marine army again so they can beat up on it a little.

My design is that my games with this Army represent a campaign as I only intend to fight Ork players with it. The campaign is the growth and development of this army, along with all the battles. 

 

I'm starting off with the Dark Imperium set an additional 10 hell blasters and a limited edition Lieutenant.
I have a Dark Vengeance set or two as well. But I am not sure if I want to get into those of just let them stay in the bitz box.

Lastly I was talked into buying a friends Space Marine/Space wolf army.  However, I plan to resell most of that to fund this project.

 

I guess I start constructing my first list next week after I pick up that army and the codex that comes with it. Oh, it also comes with a Death Watch codex and a space wolves codex.  I won't be messing with Space Wolves at all this time as I just sold my own wolves collection maybe a year ago and want something different this go around. 

 

 

 

[Warhead01]

Today I get to pick up the Space Marines collection I bought from my friend. 
Two days ago my Dark Imperium  Marines half of the set arrived. 
I have a few color schemes in mind. One is metal, black and bone. Metal on the legs and arms the black covering the rest with bone colored inserts in the shoulder plates. 
I am also interested in color shifting paint for as well as similar in color as I can get it. Possibly with a gold to black transition. It's a little hard to describe. Color shifting paints are amazing. 

I'm wondering how standard colors, like the bone color will work with the color shifting paints or if they won't work together at all. Also I recently saw a florescent color set  of paints, I'd like to incorporate jut a small bit of florescent as long as it looks good and not over powering. Haven't spent much time on thinking exactly how just yet. 

 

For standard Marines I am thinking of a similar pattern for the colors but replacing the black with green and the Bone inset color with green as well. If I can find a transfer that matches our clubs logs, which I recall being taken from a 40K transfer sheet.  This section will provide Devistators, Assault Marines, Tanks, and everything not Primaris. I hope to play them as 2 chapters in 2 battalions or something like that. Haven't decided on which chapters but one must complement the other for best advantage. 

 

The Primaris chapter I am still working on finding a Name. The name generator spit out Star Slayers. I like that.  But nothings set in stone yet.  
The Standard Marines idea is up in the air still. The club is the Jacksonville Guardians now but used to be called the Guardians of the Sanctuary.  I know making part of my collection themed with the club is a little cheesy.....but I have matching dice.  

I'll update again.

[Warhead01]

Update.

I just had a good look through and I don't know the names of all the new models but It's a lot I think. 
I have a large chunk of old 2nd, 3rd and 5th edition space wolves and a lot of TWC to sell. I might be able to make my money back on just that! (If I am lucky.)

Some Black templars, very second hand and maybe 2 squads of Dark Vengeance Dark angels tacticals.

A bunch, maybe 15 scout bikers, some scouts as well. 3 Predator tanks and Big G man. 

 

 That escalated quickly. 

[Warhead01]

Update. I ordered color shifting paint from Greenstuff world this morning!  
 

I've started flipping through the SM and Death Watch codex books. I like them both.  On first glance, almost seems the Corvus Blackstar costs too much compared to the Stormraven gunship.   Aircraft are a must! 

 

This army project is going to const an arm and a leg. 

[Lemondish]

Update. I ordered color shifting paint from Greenstuff world this morning!  

 

I've started flipping through the SM and Death Watch codex books. I like them both.  On first glance, almost seems the Corvus Blackstar costs too much compared to the Stormraven gunship.   Aircraft are a must! 

 

This army project is going to const an arm and a leg. 

 

It absolutely does cost too much. I think it looks better as a model, but it isn't better on the table. It is overall less accurate because it lacks PotMS, has fewer weapons and fewer weapon options so it can't even make up for that lack of accuracy via weight of fire, and it cannot carry a Dreadnought in addition to its complement of marines. Like all marine armies, it doesn't benefit from any of the special rules for its chapter, which is a mighty shame.

 

What it does bring that is unique to the unit is the ability to carry bikes, which is kind of neat but mostly unnecessary. It also has a pretty forgettable MW mechanic that targets a unit it flies over and can equip a neat but mostly harmless but kind of flavourful missile launcher style weapon with a choice of two specialised but weak profiles. 

 

Are you still sticking with the Star Slayers for the name? I like it. 

[Warhead01]

 

 

It absolutely does cost too much. 

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Are you still sticking with the Star Slayers for the name? I like it. 

 

So far I would say yes. I kinda like the name as well.  "Star Slayers".  

I'm a little hooked on the Goblin Slayer show and having just met a few more Ork players ..and the how to deal with Ork thread. 

I think I will keep the name. It's a little more universal than Ork slayers.  

 

I had to check them both out to compare points and was amazed that the points weren't identical between the two. 4 point hurricane bolters up to 10. but why?  They must just be that good. Bother of them still spit out 36 shots and some change. If I do fool around with a death Watch I am going to have to be really creative with how I field them. 

 

[Lemondish]

I had to check them both out to compare points and was amazed that the points weren't identical between the two. 4 point hurricane bolters up to 10. but why?  They must just be that good. Bother of them still spit out 36 shots and some change. If I do fool around with a death Watch I am going to have to be really creative with how I field them. 

 

 

It's definitely weird - they both cost 10 points each now for Hurricane bolters (since CA 2017). The Blackstar needs a bit of love to make it the iconic Deathwatch unit it always should be. Compared to the Raven, it has one fewer hurricane bolter and one fewer entire weapon system, which is fine - it isn't the same type of gunboat. But the difference in price is only 42 points for the chassis (192 for the Raven, 150 for the Blackstar). The Raven gets PotMS and the ability to transport a flippin' dreadnought for those 42 points. Even then, expensive and huge models without invuln saves like the Stormraven aren't super popular these days in even a semi-competitive scene. They used to be powerful, but a series of price increases on both their chassis and wargear (they used to be like 40 points cheaper), combined with codex creep has resulted in them being pretty weak now. 

 

I think they'd still be amazing units if they maintained their old pricepoint, but CA 2017 nerfed the crap out of them, and the Blackstar never had a chance coming in at about pre-nerf pricing for Stormravens without any of the offensive benefits. 

 

CA 2018 is our only hope.

 

But back to the topic at hand. I'd like to see the colour shifting paints in effect, if you don't mind sharing some pics as you paint one up?

[Warhead01]

I had no idea that they points had changed in the last CA. I was never able to buy it. They never had it in when I was at the shop. And yet everyone seemed to have a copy..... 

For a small update I have started to put primer on models and that's about it. I'm still going over the codex.
I ended up with 32 Hell blasters some how. and am partly tempted to field them as dark angels in their own detachment. But I haven't looked into that yet. I'm still in the brain storming phase and will be for the rest of this month. Or until the fancy paint arrives. 

[Panzer]

I had no idea that they points had changed in the last CA. I was never able to buy it. They never had it in when I was at the shop. And yet everyone seemed to have a copy..... 

 

Alright I'll let you in on our dirty little secret. There's a trick to get the CA. Basically impossible to fail as long as you have the money and an address. ;)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/searchResults?_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=4727027117090976884&qty=&sorting=&view=&Ntt=Chapter+Approved

 

(Don't buy it for just the points. They will be included in CA2018 according to their Facebook page)

[Lemondish]

 

 

I had no idea that they points had changed in the last CA. I was never able to buy it. They never had it in when I was at the shop. And yet everyone seemed to have a copy.....

 

Alright I'll let you in on our dirty little secret. There's a trick to get the CA. Basically impossible to fail as long as you have the money and an address. ;)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/searchResults?_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=4727027117090976884&qty=&sorting=&view=&Ntt=Chapter+Approved

 

(Don't buy it for just the points. They will be included in CA2018 according to their Facebook page)

Around the time it released, a few of the fansites put up a picture of the points changes page. In addition, I find battlescribe is almost always correct. Sometimes it gets wargear options wrong, but the costs always seem to be on point. Pun intended.

[Panzer]

 

 

I had no idea that they points had changed in the last CA. I was never able to buy it. They never had it in when I was at the shop. And yet everyone seemed to have a copy.....

Alright I'll let you in on our dirty little secret. There's a trick to get the CA. Basically impossible to fail as long as you have the money and an address.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/searchResults?_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=4727027117090976884&qty=&sorting=&view=&Ntt=Chapter+Approved

 

(Don't buy it for just the points. They will be included in CA2018 according to their Facebook page)

Around the time it released, a few of the fansites put up a picture of the points changes page. In addition, I find battlescribe is almost always correct. Sometimes it gets wargear options wrong, but the costs always seem to be on point. Pun intended.

 

 

Yeah I just didn't want to hint at all the illegal ways and grey areas to get the informations. We aren't allowed to post specific point costs of things for a reason. :P

[Warhead01]

 

I had no idea that they points had changed in the last CA. I was never able to buy it. They never had it in when I was at the shop. And yet everyone seemed to have a copy..... 

 

Alright I'll let you in on our dirty little secret. There's a trick to get the CA. Basically impossible to fail as long as you have the money and an address.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/searchResults?_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=4727027117090976884&qty=&sorting=&view=&Ntt=Chapter+Approved

 

(Don't buy it for just the points. They will be included in CA2018 according to their Facebook page)

 

I realize your making a little joke and all but I was trying to spend money locally as I have hardly buy anything at all new anymore and frequent the same shop. I kind feel bad that I seem to play there  more than shop there. And also unfortunately for them only ever seem to buy paint and brushes. I think I was there the weekend after it came one expecting to be able to buy it.   It's another reason I usually preorder anything I know I "must have" online. That and they are an hour and 40 minutes away.

 

I think I actually might have a copy on digits, I'll have to check. 

[Panzer]

 

 

I had no idea that they points had changed in the last CA. I was never able to buy it. They never had it in when I was at the shop. And yet everyone seemed to have a copy..... 

 

Alright I'll let you in on our dirty little secret. There's a trick to get the CA. Basically impossible to fail as long as you have the money and an address.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/searchResults?_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=4727027117090976884&qty=&sorting=&view=&Ntt=Chapter+Approved

 

(Don't buy it for just the points. They will be included in CA2018 according to their Facebook page)

 

I realize your making a little joke and all but I was trying to spend money locally as I have hardly buy anything at all new anymore and frequent the same shop. I kind feel bad that I seem to play there  more than shop there. And also unfortunately for them only ever seem to buy paint and brushes. I think I was there the weekend after it came one expecting to be able to buy it.   It's another reason I usually preorder anything I know I "must have" online. That and they are an hour and 40 minutes away.

 

I think I actually might have a copy on digits, I'll have to check. 

 

 

Your local store should be able to order stuff specifically for you tho? Did you ever ask them to do that or did you just went in, looked at the stuff they have there and silently left again?

[Warhead01]

 

 

 

I had no idea that they points had changed in the last CA. I was never able to buy it. They never had it in when I was at the shop. And yet everyone seemed to have a copy..... 

 

Alright I'll let you in on our dirty little secret. There's a trick to get the CA. Basically impossible to fail as long as you have the money and an address.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/searchResults?_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=4727027117090976884&qty=&sorting=&view=&Ntt=Chapter+Approved

 

(Don't buy it for just the points. They will be included in CA2018 according to their Facebook page)

 

I realize your making a little joke and all but I was trying to spend money locally as I have hardly buy anything at all new anymore and frequent the same shop. I kind feel bad that I seem to play there  more than shop there. And also unfortunately for them only ever seem to buy paint and brushes. I think I was there the weekend after it came one expecting to be able to buy it.   It's another reason I usually preorder anything I know I "must have" online. That and they are an hour and 40 minutes away.

 

I think I actually might have a copy on digits, I'll have to check. 

 

 

Your local store should be able to order stuff specifically for you tho? Did you ever ask them to do that or did you just went in, looked at the stuff they have there and silently left again?

 

I quit asking them to order things for me when they couldn't get the index I needed in and hold it for me, they seem to have sold it out from under me and have a no pre pay policy.

It's just not worth the trouble. Again I can't get there every weekend and at the time had no idea they only old items for a short time or something like that. It was a mess. 

But one would think something like a CA would be on the self. we have a lot of players up there and a lot of out of townees come in for tournaments. But, I don't run the place so what do I know.  I like the shop and if I was a regular I am sure I wouldn't have had an issue. it is what it is. I'd going to be doing some commission painting and for at least one I can get the new CA as part of my payment. Much easier that way.

[Panzer]

Meh, if they can't hold your order until you are there to get it then it's on them if you buy it from GW directly. Everyone has to draw the line somewhere.

[Warhead01]

Update.

 

I checked the details of my paint order. Marked as shipped! No idea when it will arrive I guess next week some time, probably late next week. Mail is slow this time of year. 
 

Continuing to look through the codex and I think Salamanders look like a reliable chapter tactic over all. Not seeing any other one that jumps out at me. I do like the idea of a few rerolls here and there.  
After reading the CA rumors thread I started looking at special characters. I really have no love for special characters at all. Can't find any emotional investment in them, never have been able to.  If special characters is the way things are going, Ultra marines at least have a bunch of them and it's an army I have never painted before. So that's on the back burner. 

The plan I am forming is that the Primaris marines will be the diy chapter. any "real Marines" I am thinking should be/ may be an official chapter.  
 

These star slayers are going to look crazy. Thinking classic Battlestar Galactica Cylons, with an Imperial twist.

[Brother Lunkhead]

Warhead01 said:

 

"These star slayers are going to look crazy. Thinking classic Battlestar Galactica Cylons, with an Imperial twist."

 

I really like the name, Star Slayers and the Cylon paint scheme sounds rad Looking forward to seeing some minis

Edited November 18, 2018 by Brother Lunkhead

[Warhead01]

Warhead01 said:

 

"These star slayers are going to look crazy. Thinking classic Battlestar Galactica Cylons, with an Imperial twist."

 

I really like the name, Star Slayers and the Cylon paint scheme sounds rad Looking forward to seeing some minis

I'm excited as well. Just waiting on the fancy space paint to arrive!  

While I am waiting I should probably clean my air brush again.... 

[Warhead01]

Update.

as of now I have put primer on 10 hell blaster 20 Intercessors 6 Aggressors 1 Lieutenant 1 captain 1 Apothecary. I've not been in a mood to build an more models yet. I am actually planning to part with a few of these models as they were assembled by some one else and I'm left with some Hell blasters with Heavy plasma weapons and some with not heavy plasma weapons and I do no want to mix my weapons in a unit, it looks tacky. I may have a trade for a Redemptor dreadnought not 100% sure if that trade is on or not. Hope it is. 
I'm still waiting on my fancy paints to arrive. 
Today I was tempted to just paint Ultra marines because I like the new Marnius Calgar.  

Madness I tell you! 
I'm filling my ebay watch list with other Primaris kits that I would like. 

 

I was thinking bout drawing from my 30K dark angels to proxy in other units but I am conflicted on that and may just save up for some other Marine units I want, no rush really.  I really need to remember to look for a Thunderfire cannon. 

[Warhead01]

Update.

 

I found a Redemptor dread brand new for a very good price! 

And just ordered the Neon paint set from scale 75. (I think that's the company.) 
 

 

I've been asking myself, do I want to add normal marine units or not.  And should I count Techmarines as normal marine units. 

I fund half a Thunderfire cannon on ebay, just missing the tracks. I just happen to have the tracks in my bitz somewhere but I can't find it. Any time I didn't need it I always seemed to see it. 
This is silly.  So I am just waiting to both decide about Techmarines and find my tracks. 
I did fine about 10 or 15 Scout snipers I had in my bitz. I have no idea how that came about but this is turning out to be a lot of scouts not counting the other 10 I just got with the army I bought from my friend. Enemy characters be ware?   Maybe I should add normal marines after all. 

 

In my head I was thinking something like, would it be more difficult to just play Primaris with no normal marines but that might be a very poor choice until the Primaris line gets more vehicles and support units. 

[Warhead01]

Update.

Finally something interesting!

I decided I had the bitz to build a simple Primaris Chaplain.

A simple kitbash made from the Primaris Ancient .

I trimmed down the bolter to make the pistol. The head comes from another plastic chaplain and the crozius from the same model.

I may bash up a librarian and alter a Captain as well, I'd like one with a power fist and Plasma pistol and have the bitz I think.

[Warhead01]

Update.

I have tried to turn a Lieutenant into an Librarian .

The hand is from an Intercesser and a small bit of green stuff to fill in the wrist. The psychic hood is a chopped shoulder plate. Extremely basic stuff. I am hopeful I can find a proper force sword and to a weapons swap.

I ended up ordering a Hell blaster combat squad I found I had 4 Heavy Hellblasters and believe I can outfit a full 6 more with the combat squad parts.

Both that and the Redemptor dreadnought are arriving in a day or two.

I would very much like to play a Primaris only list but I think that's not very practical.

The more I look through both the SM and DA codex the more I see the DA codex winning out. So I expect I will sort my detachments out between the two in the long run.

Looking at Primaris marines it gets weird I am still trying to figure out a screening unit and am drawing a blank. It's unfortunate as I am nearly considering AM conscripts to stand behind, unless I an find something more expendable. But that's a ways off.

Hopefully my fancy paints are in this week I am really ready to get started!

[Warhead01]

update.

I am pleased to report that my Redemptor Dreadnought and color shifting paint has arrived! 

[HighMarshalAmp]

update.

I am pleased to report that my Redemptor Dreadnought and color shifting paint has arrived!

Pics or it didn't happen ;)

[Warhead01]

update.

I am pleased to report that my Redemptor Dreadnought and color shifting paint has arrived!

Pics or it didn't happen

Sure thing.

Just started working on the Dread.