Wrath of Bruinen Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Hi everyone, CM Valrak left an interesting tidbit about the new detachment/formations in the upcoming Vigilus campaign book here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351428-vigilus-campaign-books-series/?p=5198611 To quote Valrak (sorry mods, having trouble with the quote codes): http://bolterandchainsword.com//public/style_images/carbon_red/snapback.png Do we know if the Detachments in the book are linked to specific subfactions (Chapters/Regiments, etc) or if there are generic/open ones? I assume there are. Valrak: Something I left out my video (sorry long day), you basically upgrade your detachment so get new traits for your Warlord, new stratagems etc. I'm actually in bed at the moment, super tired, lads, I will get more stuff out tomorrow sometime. Edit: Black Tempalrs and Ravenwing were mentioned in this first book at getting new stuff (Rules wise)." Let the speculation begin! We might get a return to the good old Ravenwing Attack Squadron from last edition, with bikes, and attack bike, and a land speeder, and could even get a similar bonus/stratagem (+1 to hit with the bikes if targeting a unit the LS has already hit). Or, we might get something completely different! Anyway, thought it was an interesting little bit of information that people might have missed from the N&R thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Not surprised this is the direction they are going now all (well, almost all) of the Codices are out - release the basic rules early, then go for campaign books. I just hope they can deliver it better than in seventh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MistaGav Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Maybe it'll be something like giving all RW units obsec like troops choices get and then maybe an improvement to jink. Here's hoping we get a Deathwing and maybe another one too in a similar fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Maybe it'll be something like giving all RW units obsec like troops choices get and then maybe an improvement to jink. Here's hoping we get a Deathwing and maybe another one too in a similar fashion. Or a mixed wing. Ignore the 9 inch deepstrike rule if Deathwing drop within 3 inches of Ravenwing. Be still my heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeChisler Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 We need a proper command point return for taking high cost elite & Fast attack detachments ex - 3 squads of black Knights + 2 HQ's should get you at least 3 command points same goes for deathwing Until some generic fixes are done your still going to get CP Farms personally feel that farming should be only available if your entire force is from 1 codex because there are other warlord traits and in guards case other relics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuka06 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Looking at certain armies through the lense of gameplay vs fluff, I could see army specific "battalions"In the specific case of Ravenwing, 2 HQ and 3 Fast attack choices netting you 5 Command Points. Maybe you'd have to specify that even further, having to take bike squadrons as the compulsory choices, but I can see this working in the favour of armies that would otherwise be hard to build but are well established in the lore. Call me an optimist, but I liked the idea of 7th Ed. detachments. It was some of the execution that was lacking. Fielding a full battle company of Space Marines? Cool Take the same unit 3 times and give it additional free upgrades? Yeah...No, the Riptide wing was stupid. Looking forward to what Games Workshop is cooking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsWithLegs Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Excited to see this, although my ravenwing force is small. With the two characters facing off with this book and the ravenwing already on the planet I wonder if one of the future books will come out with a new Azrial facing off against Luther and a few fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I've heard the same rumor. I *think* Vigilus will have a little of something for most Imperium factions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Looks like Formations are back....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsWithLegs Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Looks like Formations are back....? I'm not sure how it used to work, but apparently it's only one detachment and now you have to pay CP for the bonuses and that only gets you the rule, the warlord trait, and the relic, and everything else is access to stratigums. And with GWs apparent willingness to balance stratigum costs it will likely be better than last edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebukkuk Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Looks like Formations are back....? I'm not sure how it used to work, but apparently it's only one detachment and now you have to pay CP for the bonuses and that only gets you the rule, the warlord trait, and the relic, and everything else is access to stratigums. And with GWs apparent willingness to balance stratigum costs it will likely be better than last edition To some degree this has already started with the Ork codex. They pay 'x' number of command points to upgrade units. For example, the 'Ard Boyz upgrade for the basic Boyz mob. Apparently this Vigilus Defiant book carries the same idea a few steps further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeChisler Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Looks like Formations are back....?I'm not sure how it used to work, but apparently it's only one detachment and now you have to pay CP for the bonuses and that only gets you the rule, the warlord trait, and the relic, and everything else is access to stratigums. And with GWs apparent willingness to balance stratigum costs it will likely be better than last edition To some degree this has already started with the Ork codex. They pay 'x' number of command points to upgrade units. For example, the 'Ard Boyz upgrade for the basic Boyz mob. Apparently this Vigilus Defiant book carries the same idea a few steps further. If you have next to no command points to start with its pointless Your typical ravenwing or Deathwing force has 4 / 5 command points also the rule set I've received from a comp I'm entering in February expecially states no farming allowed on pre game CP's (this appears to have been in response to the endless guard farm popping up now allied with Knights) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G8Keeper Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 We definitely need cp addressing for the more elite detachments. Plenty of workable solutions out there IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I about puked when I heard this! My initial thought was "Oh no, they're going to $#%* up 8th edition in order to sell models that aren't selling as well" ... I about puked again. But then when another player was telling me how they would cost command points, and that could be increased based on how good the formation was, I felt better. The nausea receded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I've heard from a very reliable source that the Ravenwing rule is, in his opinion, very powerful and exciting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Bruinen Posted December 1, 2018 Author Share Posted December 1, 2018 Keen to find out what it is - I take it your friend wouldn't/couldn't say more? Thanks for sharing nonetheless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Keen to find out what it is - I take it your friend wouldn't/couldn't say more? Thanks for sharing nonetheless Sadly not but he's got me all excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Bruinen Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/03/3rd-dec-war-zone-vigilus-a-new-theatre-of-wargw-homepage-post-2/ Posted on WHC today. The contents page shows a "Ravenwing Attack Squadron" (do I get points for guessing that correctly in OP?!). Following the example Imperial Fists one, it will probably apply to Ravenwing Bike squadrons, attack bikes, and landspeeders, and Talonmasters (not traditionally in an attack squadron, but the format seems to be including extra warlord traits and relics, and sammael can't take advantage of that). What do people think about the Blade of Corswain as a new relic? It's the only ravenwing relic that I can really think of, but it might be a challenge to differentiate it from the Heavenfall Blade. Can't wait to find out more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJD Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/12/03/3rd-dec-war-zone-vigilus-a-new-theatre-of-wargw-homepage-post-2/ Posted on WHC today. The contents page shows a "Ravenwing Attack Squadron" (do I get points for guessing that correctly in OP?!). Following the example Imperial Fists one, it will probably apply to Ravenwing Bike squadrons, attack bikes, and landspeeders, and Talonmasters (not traditionally in an attack squadron, but the format seems to be including extra warlord traits and relics, and sammael can't take advantage of that). What do people think about the Blade of Corswain as a new relic? It's the only ravenwing relic that I can really think of, but it might be a challenge to differentiate it from the Heavenfall Blade. Can't wait to find out more! I was going to post the exact same thing. Looks like it's wait and see time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsWithLegs Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What if the relic/WL trait or one of the strats is a teleport homer like Ravenwing had in previous editions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmirableGoal Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What if the relic/WL trait or one of the strats is a teleport homer like Ravenwing had in previous editions? THEN WE'RE GONNA TOSS SOME PERSONS OF INTEREST INTO THE DARK TALON'S STASIS CHAMBER FOR A LONG, UNCOMFORTABLE FLIGHT, THAT'S WHAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G8Keeper Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Well the old rules were +1 to BS at the target the Speeder shot at (as long as it hit at least once) and Summon the Deathwing within 12" so.... you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmirableGoal Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Well the old rules were +1 to BS at the target the Speeder shot at (as long as it hit at least once) and Summon the Deathwing within 12" so.... you never know. I actually think the former seems more likely than anything, or some sort of aura, relic, or stratagem for ignoring the penalty for moving with heavy weapons for Ravenwing. It would match up with how the IF detachment looks. Fluffy, and strong enough to be worth taking, but not so strong that it's overpowered. It'd at least make my occasional attempts to use my Land Speeder a little less frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValourousHeart Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 While I'll be happy with anything we get, I'm hoping that the formation has more flexibility than just the historic version of the RW Attack Squadron. 6 Bikes, an Attack Bike, and a Speeder are nice, but it is 3 units with no flexibility, and it doesn't fit the units in our current codex. I'm hoping it is 2-3 FA units with the RW keyword with a couple special rules and stratagems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingDeth Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 If it's similar to what I've gathered from around the internet it probably won't be so rigid, probably an upgrade to the fast attack detachment with bonuses or synergy to units with Ravenwing in the name. It'll be able to build the old school Ravenwing attack squadrons but won't be locked to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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