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Chapter Approved and Vigilus Defiant Pre-Order Next Week!


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Awesome news. That Warlord Edition looks good.


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Pieces of paper for impassable terrain? My main problem with all of this is it really takes away from the game. A giant sheet of white paper on the table sort of breaks the theme of tiny fake armies running around tiny fake locales.

Real men play Adepta Sororitas!


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I was not expecting 200 pages for Vigilus. That’s going to be pretty meaty.

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Vigilus is bringing back formations and I'm not super enthused.

 

Edit: Used wrong word.


Edited by Son of Carnelian, 02 December 2018 - 08:57 PM.

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Vigilus is bringing back detachments and I'm not super enthused.

 

We already have detachments. I think you mean formations. :P

 

From what we've seen so far tho (the leaked Ork one and this one) we don't have to worry yet. Both seem to offer fluffy and decent stuff but aren't the broken formations we've learned to hate last edition.


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So yeah, I'm really not rude it's basically just cultural differences that act against me here. Again, I apologize.

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So the Raptor Lord's coming in two weeks, followed by the classic Noise Marine and Wrath and Rapture in the coming weeks. Quite the busy December for my wallet.

 

And if we take the whole "taking the planet in 80 days" as a hint for the duration of the campaign and/or the followup to it, we're looking at the first couple weeks of March. Just before AdeptiCon too.


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That imperial Fists formation seems incredibly underwhelming! I wasn’t expecting a lot but this is just a couple of extra stratagems, a warlord trait and a relic.

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At 200 pages I’m hoping it’s going to be a genuinely good background book combined with some fun rules.

I loved the Armageddon and Sabbat background books and have always said it’s a shame we don’t get those types of books from BL anymore.
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That imperial Fists formation seems incredibly underwhelming! I wasn’t expecting a lot but this is just a couple of extra stratagems, a warlord trait and a relic.

 

Most detachments are likely to be one WT, one Relic, then 1-3 Strategems, all of which are centered on specific units in a detachment.


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Pieces of paper for impassable terrain? My main problem with all of this is it really takes away from the game. A giant sheet of white paper on the table sort of breaks the theme of tiny fake armies running around tiny fake locales.

Real men play Adepta Sororitas!


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So if you look at the preview picutre of the special edition of Chapter Approved the preview of the tokens has "Hard" and "Soft" cover. I wonder how cover is changing.

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So I guess the IF detachment allows you to build a chapter master without spending 3CP, the idea that these detachments bring upgrades to make a special character of sorts seem to be the theme what with Orks having a battlewagon commander and now an IF chapter master.
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So I guess the IF detachment allows you to build a chapter master without spending 3CP, the idea that these detachments bring upgrades to make a special character of sorts seem to be the theme what with Orks having a battlewagon commander and now an IF chapter master.

Not necessarily a Chapter Master. The Chapter Master Strategem makes it so you re-roll all failed to hits, not just 1's. Has no impact on Wounds. The relic here is functionally different. Superior? YMMV.


Pieces of paper for impassable terrain? My main problem with all of this is it really takes away from the game. A giant sheet of white paper on the table sort of breaks the theme of tiny fake armies running around tiny fake locales.

Real men play Adepta Sororitas!


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That imperial Fists formation seems incredibly underwhelming! I wasn’t expecting a lot but this is just a couple of extra stratagems, a warlord trait and a relic.

 

I'm guessing they are trying not to over do things like they did in 7e.

I think the IF Special Detatchment is pretty fuffy, which is what we should probably expect from a story driven supplement.
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The stuff with the limited ed CA looks actually useful. Have they been available with another book before? Any good?

Quite tempted for the first time to get the limited. What do these things usually go for?

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I wasn't expecting much for the IF rules...And i'm still left disappointed.

The only real bonus is,as someone said above,sparing 3CP  2CP if you want to build a cheap buffbot captain with the same nearly same bonus of a chapter master (or saving the points of a lieutenant)


Edited by Fenriwolf, 02 December 2018 - 07:32 PM.

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Am I reading the second strategem right? It's basicaly "Wrath of Mars" from AdMech, right? Shame IF don't really have a unit like Kastelans to use them on.


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Am I reading the second strategem right? It's basicaly "Wrath of Mars" from AdMech, right? Shame IF don't really have a unit like Kastelans to use them on.

Of all the units the formation buffs,the only one that might make use of it are likely HB centurions thanks to the number of shots (combo'd with other bolter relate rules the fists have),and even there only when in range to shoot with all bolters

 

And we all know how good centurions are in 8th (also,since it works on vehicles it's probably the worst setup that centurions have for that job)


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Honestly, even comparing the specialist detachment to a formation seems really deceptive.

 

Spec Detachments, based on what we're seeing:

 

1. Don't provide any free benefits (even the basic stuff costs a CP)

2. Doesn't demand the inclusion of certain units (Not all units get the benefits, but there's no hard requirements.)

 

In other word, they don't do either of the things that formations do. The similarities are largely aesthetic. 



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That imperial Fists formation seems incredibly underwhelming! I wasn’t expecting a lot but this is just a couple of extra stratagems, a warlord trait and a relic.

 

I actually like it. It's fluffy and neither broken nor useless. What more do you want from it? ^^


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If my posts appear rude to you, I apologize. It's not meant to be rude in any way, it's just the way folks are in my country. It's really more about being direct than being rude. I know how it's perceived in the english speaking community and I already try to tone it down but I barely notice when it's too much since it's normal for me.


So yeah, I'm really not rude it's basically just cultural differences that act against me here. Again, I apologize.

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The IF Formation would be good if buildings were a threat in the meta, and if centurions were good. Or if it had applied to Devastators or Aggressors. I'm very surprised it can't apply to those. Also Thunderfire Cannons. Seems like some big missed opportunities.

 

If Centurions get a big points drop in CA, then it could be solid with that 2nd strat.



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That imperial Fists formation seems incredibly underwhelming! I wasn’t expecting a lot but this is just a couple of extra stratagems, a warlord trait and a relic.

I actually like it. It's fluffy and neither broken nor useless. What more do you want from it? ^^
That it's not :cuss compared to others.
IF get a fluffy one and I'm willing to put my hands on fire someone will be having an OP one...
With a certain caracther being released and everything...

Edited by Sete, 02 December 2018 - 07:24 PM.

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That imperial Fists formation seems incredibly underwhelming! I wasn’t expecting a lot but this is just a couple of extra stratagems, a warlord trait and a relic.

 

That is probably all these formations are going to be - spend a CP to unlock some more options. This one seems fluffy and occasionally useful. If you have an anti-infantry dakka unit that is looking useless against an Imperial Knight force that Seismic Devastation stratagem could be quite sweet. The relic could save you needing a Lieutenant. Nothing amazing or game-breaking. 

 

Hopefully they will keep them quite low key in this way.



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That imperial Fists formation seems incredibly underwhelming! I wasn’t expecting a lot but this is just a couple of extra stratagems, a warlord trait and a relic.

I actually like it. It's fluffy and neither broken nor useless. What more do you want from it? ^^
That it's not :cuss compared to others.
IF get a fluffy one and I'm willing to put my hands on fire someone will be having an OP one...
With a certain caracther being released and everything...

We have literally nothing that indicates Ultramarines will have a broken specialised detachment tho.

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If my posts appear rude to you, I apologize. It's not meant to be rude in any way, it's just the way folks are in my country. It's really more about being direct than being rude. I know how it's perceived in the english speaking community and I already try to tone it down but I barely notice when it's too much since it's normal for me.


So yeah, I'm really not rude it's basically just cultural differences that act against me here. Again, I apologize.

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That imperial Fists formation seems incredibly underwhelming! I wasn’t expecting a lot but this is just a couple of extra stratagems, a warlord trait and a relic.

I actually like it. It's fluffy and neither broken nor useless. What more do you want from it? ^^
That it's not :cuss compared to others.
IF get a fluffy one and I'm willing to put my hands on fire someone will be having an OP one...
With a certain caracther being released and everything...
We have literally nothing that indicates Ultramarines will have a broken specialised detachment tho.
We have nothing proving otherwise aswell ;)
And ofc I'm just speculating. Let's see how this goes.
I'm quite curious to see the BT one.
I heard that the ravenwing one is pretty good.

Edited by Sete, 02 December 2018 - 07:28 PM.


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That imperial Fists formation seems incredibly underwhelming! I wasn’t expecting a lot but this is just a couple of extra stratagems, a warlord trait and a relic.


I actually like it. It's fluffy and neither broken nor useless. What more do you want from it? ^^

Something as cool and interesting as the ork one perhaps? Their stratagem is really cool and quite useful in most games. The If one though, how often are you really targeting buildings?

I get that they’re trying to avoid the rubbish from 7th formations but the way they talked about these at the open day made it seem like the specified units would be gaining a more generalised buff. Just disappointed that it’s not really a detachment I would probably ever use.
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Fluffy, but underwhelming namely because of the emphasis on buildings. Not exactly a key part of games for a lot of people so it ends up basically irrelevant.

Am I missing something, the relic is basically the same thing a Lt does is it not?


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